Today:Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 80s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent. Tonight: Mostly cloudy. Chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening, then showers likely and chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 70s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent. Details here.
Today’s document from the National Archives and the Astronomy Picture of the Day.
Today’s tides: at the beaches, at the Intracoastal Waterway.
Drought Index: 349
The OED’s Word of the Day: reluce, v..
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Today’s jail bookings.
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“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. A Galileo could no more be elected President of the United States than he could be elected Pope of Rome. Both high posts are reserved for men favored by God with an extraordinary genius for swathing the bitter facts of life in bandages of soft illusion.”
–H.L. Mencken, from “Prejudices: Fourth Series.”
Previously:
Note: all government meetings noticed below are free and open to the public unless otherwise indicated. Many can be heard or seen live through each agency’s website.
The Sheriff’s daily incident reports and jail bookings are posted here.
This is Fire Safety Week. It is also homecoming week at Flagler Palm Coast High School.
The Flagler County Land Acquisition Committee meets at 3:30 p.m. in the First Floor Conference Room at the government Services Building, 1769 E Moody Blvd., Bldg 2, Bunnell.
The Flagler County Library Board of Trustees meets at 4:30 p.m. at the Flagler County Library, 2500 Palm Coast Parkway NW, Palm Coast.
The Bunnell City Commission meets at 7 p.m. at City Hall, 201 West Moody Boulevard, Bunnell. This will be the first meeting with new City Manager Alvin Jackson. Commissioners will hear a report from its Charter Review Advisory Committee’s recommended charter amendments, which would go before voters at the city’s March 5, 2019 Election. Commissioners also hear an appeal from the planning board regarding the granting of a special exception for a business to use shipping containers as permanent buildings at 3360 Steel Rail Drive in Bunnell.
Palm Coast Road Closure through Oct. 15: The City of Palm Coast plans to temporarily close a section of Wellington Drive – from Village Circle (the Wellington/Village intersection farthest from Pine Lakes Parkway) to Lago Vista Place – beginning Monday, Oct. 1, and continuing through Oct. 15. This temporary road closure is necessitated by a City project to upgrade a utility pump station. This temporary road closure will be 24 hours a day during the project. Detours will be in place to help neighborhood residents and other motorists reach their destinations. For more information, call Customer Service at 386-986-2360.
Blood Donations: The Big Red Bus will be at the following locations this week (schedule your donation by going to the website and entering a Palm Coast zip code, then locating one of the venues below):
- Monday: Tom Gibbs Chevrolet, 5850 E. Highway 100, Palm Coast, 9 a.m. to noon.
- Monday: Bealls, 9 Old Kings Road, Palm Coast, 1 to 4 p.m.
- Wednesday: AT&T Store, 5180 East State Road 100 (Target Shopping Center), Palm Coast, 2 to 7 p.m.
- Thursday: Epic Theaters, 1185 Central Avenue, Palm Coast, 1:30 to 6 p.m.
- Saturday: Coldwell Banker Day, Palm Coast, 211 St Joe Plaza Dr., 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Jail Bookings and Last 24 Hours' Incidents in Flagler, Palm Coast, Flagler Beach, Bunnell
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Intracoastal Bank Announces Anand Jobalia As Board Member: Jobalia has over 18 years of business and community experience in the Flagler and Volusia market area. He has a long term track record of success with a variety of businesses in the real estate development and hotel industries. His many business ventures include the redevelopment of the Lotus Inn and Suites and the refurbishment of the Mainsail Hotel. In addition Jobalia has developed various single family residential communities in the Volusia and Flagler markets. He is also active in the community with his affiliation with the Margarita Society and the Hindu Society of Daytona Beach. Together with his wife Dr. Reena Sachdev they are raising their children here in our community.
In Florida and in State Government:
Note: Some proceedings below can be followed live on the Florida Channel. Most legislative proceedings can be followed through the Senate or House websites.
TRUMP SPEAKS IN ORLANDO: President Donald Trump will speak Monday at the International Association of Chiefs of Police annual convention at the Orange County Convention Center. The White House had not released full details of the visit as of Friday afternoon.
BUILDING COMMISSION MEETS: The Florida Building Commission will meet in Sarasota County. (Monday, 8:30 a.m., Hyatt Regency, 1000 Boulevard of the Arts, Sarasota.)
DEUTCH TOURS ‘KING TIDE’ IN BROWARD: U.S. Rep. Ted Deutch, D-Fla., will tour an area of Fort Lauderdale affected by flooding from what is known as “king tide.” (Monday, 9:30 a.m., corner of East Las Olas Boulevard and Southeast 25th Avenue, Fort Lauderdale.)
NBC CORRESPONDENT SPEAKS TO ECONOMIC CLUB: Ali Velshi, senior economic and business correspondent for NBC News, is slated to speak to the Economic Club of Florida. (Monday, 11:15 a.m., FSU Alumni Center, 1030 West Tennessee St., Tallahassee.)
TAXWATCH DISCUSSES TAX AMENDMENTS: Florida TaxWatch will hold a media conference call to discuss two proposed constitutional amendments — known as Amendment 1 and Amendment 2 — on the November ballot. Amendment 1 would increase the state’s homestead property-tax exemption, while Amendment 2 would keep in place a property-tax cap for commercial and other non-homestead properties. (Monday, 3 p.m. Call-in number: 1-872-240-3412. Code: 803-142-885#)
DEADLINE FOR SUPREME COURT APPLICATIONS: Applications are due by 5 p.m. Monday to fill three seats on the Florida Supreme Court. The seats will open in January when longtime justices Barbara Pariente, R. Fred Lewis and Peggy Quince face a mandatory retirement age. The Florida Supreme Court Judicial Nominating Commission will review the applicants before making recommendations for appointment.
—-Compiled by the News Service of Florida and FlaglerLive
In Coming Days in Palm Coast, Flagler and the Occasional Beyond:
To include your event in this section, please fill out this form. Sep 17 Tue Sep 17 @ 9:00 am – 10:30 am
Members of the council are Commissioner County Commissioner and Chairman Donald O’Brien, Graylon Perkins, Greg Federline, Michael Gill, Joe Marotti, Jim Ulsamer, Barbara Revels and Dr. Ron Jimenez. Sep 17 @ 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm Sep 17 @ 5:00 pm – 8:00 pm Food Truck Tuesdays, 5-8 p.m. at Central Park in Town Center, 975 Central Ave, Palm Coast. Purchase and enjoy delicious cuisine available from food trucks situated along Park Street next to Central Park. Free entertainment is also provided. Proceeds from each Food Truck Tuesday benefit a local organization whose work supports children and families. This month’s beneficiary: Palm Coast Arts Foundation. More info: www.palmcoast.gov.com/foodtruck or call 386-986-2323. Sep 17 @ 6:00 pm – 7:30 pm
Planning Board members are Thea Mathen, chair, Jerry Jones, Howard Kane, Carl Lilavois, Shannon Strickland and Tonya Gordon. Sep 17 @ 6:00 pm – 9:00 pm Sep 17 @ 7:30 pm – 9:00 pm Sep 18 Wed Sep 18 @ 9:00 am – 10:30 am
Sep 18 @ 9:00 am – 10:30 am
The council is a collection of government representatives and tourism-related business representatives, appointed by the county commission to oversee the nearly $3 million in revenue generated by the county’s 5 percent sales surtax on hotel, motel, short-term rentals and other short-term lodging in the county. The budget is divided three ways between capital projects that enhance the local tourism experience, beach protection, and promotion and marketing of tourism events, including grants to local and national cultural, non-profit and for-profit organizations that put on events attractive to visitors. See budget figures here. Council members are County Commissioner Greg Hansen, chairman, Flagler Beach Commissioner Eric Cooley, Palm Coast Mayor Milissa Holland, Stephen Baker, Ryan Crabb, Marc Richardson, Pamela Walker, John Lulgjuraj, and Felicia Robinson Cook. See agendas here. Sep 18 @ 11:30 am – 1:00 pm
Fisher served as Chief of the United States Border Patrol in Washington D.C. for six years, overseeing approximately 25,000 personnel and managing a $3.5 billion budget. During his tenure, he led a team and developed a comprehensive national border security strategy to include an operational implementation plan. As President and CEO of the Alexandria, Virginia-based Scorpion Security Services Fisher’s company serves a variety of clients in the national security and border security industry. Scorpion Security Services provides operational, strategic, and practical solutions and perspectives to companies that want to understand the complexities of the border environment and develop corporate strategies to increase revenue. Leading the discussion on border control and national security solutions, Fisher will be available for Q&A during the luncheon. Sep 18 @ 11:30 am – 1:00 pm “Solving True Crimes”: The Flagler Chamber of Commerce and Professional Women Council host a Fearless and Focused luncheon with guest speaker Sheila Wysocki, a private investigator, at the Hilton Garden Inn, 55 Town Center Blvd., Palm Coast, at 11:30 a.m. Wysocki is a nationally recognized private investigator who t akes matters into her own hands using unique methods such as crowd-sourcing and podcasts. Wysocki is the author of No Case is Too Cold and Voted #6 most influential women private investigators! Wysocki specializes in solving cold cases. She embraces the challenge and views each case as a mission to seek justice – and seeking justice is what she does. Sheila Wysocki became a household name in the private investigator world after she helped solve the cold-case murder of her college roommate more than 25 years later. But, there’s a twist! It doesn’t end as you imagine. Come hear the story that launched her career because she wouldn’t accept moving on without answers! And, has since helped in over 100 complicated cases. Sheila continues her practice today. She has been featured in The Washington Post and appeared on Anderson Cooper, Dateline, Katie Couric, A&E Biography’s “I Solved a Murder,” ABC’s 20/20 and numerous other shows and podcasts. The Fearless and Focused Women in Business Luncheon is brought to you by the Flagler County Chamber and the Chamber’s Professional Women’s Council, a networking luncheon dedicated to empowering, inspiring and enlightening women. The luncheon provides guests excellent networking opportunities, while featuring dynamic speakers and fascinating subject matter. Men are welcome. Sep 18 @ 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm
Sep 18 @ 5:00 pm – 7:00 pm
The board approves or denies applications of Flagler County authorized contractor licenses and enforces the provisions of the Code in regulation of Class I, Class II, and local specialty and unlicensed contracting. The board hears appeals of decisions and interpretations of the building official and the licensing administrator, including determinations of unsafe building, and issues orders necessary to bring a violation into compliance. The board usually consists of 10 members elected to four-year terms, but some seats aren’t always filled. The current board consist of Luis Medeiros, William Dudley, Jr., William Sink, James Wingo, Glenn Torre, Howard Edgin, and Jill Snyder. See agendas here. Sep 18 @ 5:30 pm – 7:30 pm
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Sep 20 @ 7:30 pm – 10:00 pm
Note: Most performers and shows do not allow any recording of their performances; therefore cameras and visual and audio recorders are prohibited in the Daytona Playhouse during the show. You are welcome to meet the actors after the performance (back stage) and pictures are permitted during the meet and greet. About the Daytona Playhouse: since 1946, we have entertained appreciative audiences with wonderful performances in the very best community theatre tradition. The Playhouse, a nonprofit organization, is also a source of numerous and varied volunteer opportunities in theatre production and management. Read more about our history here. Sep 20 @ 7:30 pm – 9:00 pm
Watch Laura Snowden perform Villa-Lobos’s Prelude Nr. 3 at the 2017 Altamira Guitar Festival, Hong Kong: Sep 21 Sat Sep 21 @ 8:30 am – 10:00 am
Frequently Asked Questions
Sep 21 @ 7:30 pm – 10:00 pm
Note: Most performers and shows do not allow any recording of their performances; therefore cameras and visual and audio recorders are prohibited in the Daytona Playhouse during the show. You are welcome to meet the actors after the performance (back stage) and pictures are permitted during the meet and greet. About the Daytona Playhouse: since 1946, we have entertained appreciative audiences with wonderful performances in the very best community theatre tradition. The Playhouse, a nonprofit organization, is also a source of numerous and varied volunteer opportunities in theatre production and management. Read more about our history here. Sep 21 @ 7:30 pm – 9:00 pm Sep 22 Sun Sep 22 @ 10:00 am – 3:00 pm Rockin’ Our Rights: A Day for Democracy, a day of multicultural music, exhibits, art, poetry and food, Including Forever Young & Kid Activities. Introduce yourself (and your kids) to the groups in the community who work tirelessly every day to protect our rights, our environment, our vulnerable neighbors, and our constitution and work for the inclusive community spirit of giving, the many different callings for volunteers, and the vital need to protect our constitutional rights. Learn about: gun safety legislation, saving our environment, migrant protection, economic inequality, voter suppression, voter registration and participation, election security, supporting vulnerable communities, and returning citizen’s voting rights. Contact: indivisible.st.johns@gmail.com for more information. 10 a.m to 3 p.m. at the Willie Galimore Center, 399 Riberia St, Saint Augustine.  Sep 22 @ 2:00 pm – 4:30 pm
Note: Most performers and shows do not allow any recording of their performances; therefore cameras and visual and audio recorders are prohibited in the Daytona Playhouse during the show. You are welcome to meet the actors after the performance (back stage) and pictures are permitted during the meet and greet. About the Daytona Playhouse: since 1946, we have entertained appreciative audiences with wonderful performances in the very best community theatre tradition. The Playhouse, a nonprofit organization, is also a source of numerous and varied volunteer opportunities in theatre production and management. Read more about our history here. Sep 23 Mon Sep 23 @ 7:00 am – 9:00 pm
For Palm Coast Alateen Sereniteen and Al-Anon meetings, go here. For help with alcoholism or if you think you have a problem with alcohol you can contact the Flagler County Helpline at 386-445-help (386-445-4357). SAMHSA’s (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration) National Helpline 1-800-662-HELP (4357) is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders. The referral service is free of charge. If you have no insurance or are underinsured, SAMHSA will refer you to your state office, which is responsible for state-funded treatment programs. SAMHSA can often refer you to facilities that charge on a sliding fee scale or accept Medicare or Medicaid. If you have health insurance, you are encouraged to contact your insurer for a list of participating health care providers and facilities. Sep 23 @ 8:30 am – 5:00 pm The trial of Joseph Bova is scheduled to begin with jury selection at 8:30 a.m. before Circuit Judge Terence Perkins in Courtroom 401, Flagler County Courthouse, 1769 E Moody Blvd, Building #1. Bova is accused of murdering store clerk Zuheili Rosado in 2013 at the Mobil convenience store on State Road 100 in February 2013. Bova has been at a psychiatric facility for treatment, judged incompetent to stand trial. In February 2019, the administrator of the facility notified the court that Bova “no longer meets the criteria for continued commitment,” suggesting he is ready for trial. In July, the court determined trial should go ahead. The trial is expected to take several days. Bova’s courtroom behavior has been unpredictable: he has previously threatened the life of a judge, and refused to show up at his last hearing on Sept. 6, when the trial date was set.  Sep 23 @ 4:30 pm – 7:30 pm
Sep 23 @ 6:00 pm – 7:00 pm The Nar-Anon Family Group for those affected by someone else’s addiction meets at 6 p.m. at St Mark by the Sea Lutheran Church, 303 Palm Coast Pkwy. There are no dues or fees. The only requirement for membership is that there be a problem of addiction in a relative or friend. We’re never affiliated with any other organization or outside entity. Do you need Nar-Anon? Ask yourself these questions. Addiction is a family disease. It affects the relationships of those close to the addict: parents, spouses, siblings, children, longtime friends, and employers. If someone’s addiction is affecting you, first you must help yourself. Nar-Anon is a twelve step support group for families and friends of addicts. There are no dues or fees to join. Just come to a meeting. You will hear others, who are going through similar problems, talk about how they cope and find recovery. Watch the video:
 Palm Coast Alateen Sereniteen and Al-Anon meetings: Alateen, part of Al-Anon Family Groups, is for teens bothered by someone else’s drinking. The group meets at 8 p.m. every Monday at Advent Health, 60 Memorial Medical Parkway, Palm Coast, at the south entrance, in meeting room D. Al-Anon meets at the same time. For more information about Alateen or Al-Anon, call toll free 1-888-4AL-ANON, or visit www.al-anon.org. Note: All Aalteen meetings are only open to teenagers who have been affected by another person’s drinking. For AA and NA meetings in Palm Coast, Flagler Beach and Bunnell, go here. Sep 24 Tue Sep 24 @ 1:57 pm – 2:57 pm Sep 24 @ 2:00 pm – 3:30 pm
The Flagler County NAACP meets at 6 p.m. at the African American Cultural Society, 4422 U. S. 1 North, Palm Coast. The meeting will highlight this month’s business owner Racquel Wyatt of Perfected Beauty, LLC. The month’s agenda is full, having taken in the first meeting after a hiatus and prior to the NAACP State Convention. Each monthly meeting will highlight a small Black business in the community. Sep 25 Wed Sep 25 @ 10:00 am – 11:00 am
The board members and their terms: Sep 25 @ 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm
Sep 25 @ 5:30 pm – 6:45 pm A meeting of Facing Grief Together, formerly known as Compassionate Friends, is scheduled at the Vitas Office at 4 North Old Kings Road (across from Kentucky Fried Chicken) in Palm Coast. The meeting begins at 5:30 p.m. Facing Grief Together, a nonprofit self-help bereavement support organization for families that have experienced the death of a child. The meeting is open to all parents, grandparents, and siblings over age 18 who has suffered the loss of a child of any age. For more information, call John Brady at 610-428-3139. To learn more about Facing Grief Together, visit their national website at www.compassionatefriends.org. Sep 26 Thu Sep 26 @ 5:00 pm – 6:00 pm
Sep 26 @ 5:30 pm – 9:30 pm
Mayor, City Commissioners and City Manager emails: Sep 27 Fri
Sep 27 @ 9:00 am – 10:30 am The Scenic A1A PRIDE Committee meets at 9 a.m. at the Hammock Community Center, 79 Mala Compra Rd. off A1A in the Hammock. Friends of A1A Scenic & Historic Coastal Byway is a non-profit organization. Its mission is to preserve, protect, promote and enhance the outstanding resources of the 72-mile A1A corridor through northeast Florida’s coastal counties of Flagler and St. Johns. The organization is composed of volunteer citizens who collaborate with municipalities, government agencies and other civic groups to improve facilities, amenities and promote interpretive stories about the area’s intrinsic resources including nature, culture, recreation, archaeology, scenery, and history.To subscribe to A1A’s emails, go here. Sep 30 Mon Sep 30 @ 7:00 am – 9:00 pm
For Palm Coast Alateen Sereniteen and Al-Anon meetings, go here. For help with alcoholism or if you think you have a problem with alcohol you can contact the Flagler County Helpline at 386-445-help (386-445-4357). SAMHSA’s (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration) National Helpline 1-800-662-HELP (4357) is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders. The referral service is free of charge. If you have no insurance or are underinsured, SAMHSA will refer you to your state office, which is responsible for state-funded treatment programs. SAMHSA can often refer you to facilities that charge on a sliding fee scale or accept Medicare or Medicaid. If you have health insurance, you are encouraged to contact your insurer for a list of participating health care providers and facilities. Sep 30 @ 6:00 pm – 7:00 pm The Nar-Anon Family Group for those affected by someone else’s addiction meets at 6 p.m. at St Mark by the Sea Lutheran Church, 303 Palm Coast Pkwy. There are no dues or fees. The only requirement for membership is that there be a problem of addiction in a relative or friend. We’re never affiliated with any other organization or outside entity. Do you need Nar-Anon? Ask yourself these questions. Addiction is a family disease. It affects the relationships of those close to the addict: parents, spouses, siblings, children, longtime friends, and employers. If someone’s addiction is affecting you, first you must help yourself. Nar-Anon is a twelve step support group for families and friends of addicts. There are no dues or fees to join. Just come to a meeting. You will hear others, who are going through similar problems, talk about how they cope and find recovery. Watch the video: Palm Coast Alateen Sereniteen and Al-Anon meetings: Alateen, part of Al-Anon Family Groups, is for teens bothered by someone else’s drinking. The group meets at 8 p.m. every Monday at Advent Health, 60 Memorial Medical Parkway, Palm Coast, at the south entrance, in meeting room D. Al-Anon meets at the same time. For more information about Alateen or Al-Anon, call toll free 1-888-4AL-ANON, or visit www.al-anon.org. Note: All Aalteen meetings are only open to teenagers who have been affected by another person’s drinking. For AA and NA meetings in Palm Coast, Flagler Beach and Bunnell, go here. Oct 1 Tue Oct 1 @ 2:00 pm – 3:30 pm
Oct 2 Wed Oct 2 @ 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm
Oct 4 Fri
Oct 5 Sat Oct 5 @ 9:00 am – 2:00 pm Creative Bazaar: Arts and Crafts Flea Market at the Palm Coast Arts Foundation’s venue at 1500 Central Avenue, open to shoppers from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m., open to anyone who wants to sell, for $25 for a 10×10 space if you’re a PCAF member, $35 for non-members. Ask about canopy and table rental. Call 225-4394. Creative Bazaar is held every first Saturday of the month. Oct 7 Mon Oct 7 @ 7:00 am – 9:00 pm
For Palm Coast Alateen Sereniteen and Al-Anon meetings, go here. For help with alcoholism or if you think you have a problem with alcohol you can contact the Flagler County Helpline at 386-445-help (386-445-4357). SAMHSA’s (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration) National Helpline 1-800-662-HELP (4357) is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders. The referral service is free of charge. If you have no insurance or are underinsured, SAMHSA will refer you to your state office, which is responsible for state-funded treatment programs. SAMHSA can often refer you to facilities that charge on a sliding fee scale or accept Medicare or Medicaid. If you have health insurance, you are encouraged to contact your insurer for a list of participating health care providers and facilities. Subscribe |
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Palm Coast Construction and Development Progress Reports
Here’s a summary of the latest city developments as of Sept. 14, 2018, with a link to the full week in review here.
Road and Interstate Construction:
Cultural Coda
Hilary Hahn Plays the Presto from Bach’s Violin Sonata Nr. 1
Previous Codas:
- LP: Lost On You
- Final Fantasy X: To Zanarkand
- 2 Cellos: Thunderstruck
- Igor Stravinsky : Le Sacre du Printemps, Orchestre philharmonique de Radio France, Mikko Franck
- Giuseppe Tartini: Violin concerto in D minor
- Víkingur Ólafsson: Philip Glass, Étude No. 5
- Ignaz Brüll: Sonata for Pianoforte, op. 73, 1st Mvt.
- Mozart: Clarinet Concerto in A major, K.622, Iceland Symphony Orchestra
- Couperin, Second Concert from ‘Concerts Royaux’
- Covering the New Wars: A Conversation with C.J. Chivers
- Erroll Garner: Where or When (1962)
- Joaquín Rodrigo’s Concierto de Aranjuez, Performed by Pepe Romero
- Rimsky-Korsakov’s Scheherazade, Vienna Philharmonic (Salzburg Festival 2005)
- Barenboim & Argerich : Mozart Sonata for Two Pianos, K.448
Bruno says
Holy hell Robert, you look very different and yet, just the same.