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Pride In “Our Country”? Count Me Out.

| October 8, 2017

Until the next massacre. A vigil in Philadelphia for the victims of the Las Vegas mass shooting. (Governor's office.)

Until the next massacre. A vigil in Philadelphia for the victims of the Las Vegas mass shooting. (Governor’s office.)

Five days ago President Trump tweeted how proud he was of “our great Country.”  I’m not so proud. At least not this week, or last week, or the week before, when Puerto Rico was drowning and his energies were focused on slurring black football players taking a knee, then insulting a Latino mayor begging for help and doing the same to an entire American island of Hispanics for “busting” his budget before taking us down his rabbit hole to still more abominable levels when he thought proper to throw paper towels at the masses as he deigned grime a sole on a few square feet of Puerto Rican soil for the TV cameras.

pierre tristam column flaglerlive.com flaglerlive We’ve seen these acts from tin-eared dictators of tinpot nations too desperate or poor or habitually repressed and molested by swinish power to know better. We’ve never seen it in this country, not even from governors (George Wallace was a one-hate wonder and Huey Long for all his racism and demagoguery at least did something for the poor) or senators, whose Theodore Bilbo-like roll of dishonor would outnumber that of Roman emperors but couldn’t outvulgar any cubic inch of Trump: dignity escapes him.

His aberrations coil against each other in a verbal preening that knows only so many words, as when he told Puerto Ricans they should be “proud” of their island’s death toll because it was no Katrina, then spoke of his pride in Vegas cops for stopping the latest of our endless mass shooters after he’d killed and injured 600. He had nothing to say about what made the massacre possible, what makes it possible only in this country. There should be no such thing in a nation that imagines itself civilized. Except in America, where men like these, and there will be more because it’s a growth industry, have the complicity of the National Rifle Association’s ideological terrorism, ensuring that such arsenals are legal, available, celebrated and defended in our trigger-mad legislatures. And not one word from the president about finding a saner way to live with guns rather than at the mercy of their fanatics–and I don’t mean just the shooters. But Trump has no sense of proportion. He’d have said the same thing whether 10 people had been victimized or 1,000. He’s warming up those same kinds words in his run-up to war with Korea, which he sees as just another intervention others will carry out. Others will suffer, others will pay.


He has no idea. His policies reflect the abomination. We could get lost in any single day’s wreckage. So much is said, so much is rolled back, undone, nullified, threatened, bleached and so little accomplished, built, cleaned, improved, comforted, healed or at least salved that we let pass what in more decent days would have seized our attention and called on our better instincts, silence not being one of them. Take one example.

Last week at the United Nations the United States cast a vote that speaks loads about where this country is going, and in whose company it feels comfortable. No, not Russia in this case, but China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, the sort of countries whose governments think human dignity is something to spit at, as is becoming the case in our gnarlier republic. The vote took place in the Human Rights Council, and yes, it’s a joke that these countries are even part of that council. It shouldn’t be a joke that the United States is. But now it is.

The vote was on a resolution condemning the execution of people for their religious or personal beliefs, for their race or ethnic background, for changing their religion or blaspheming any religion (all of which leads to routine executions even in countries American soldiers continue to shed blood for, like Iraq and Afghanistan). But mostly the resolution was condemning executions of people for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, what has become known as LGBT (for convenience but also so people who sympathize but still think in their eschatological universe that uttering the word “gay” may send them to hell).

It was the first time in the history of the United Nations that the world community had agreed more or less together that killing people for their sexual orientation is as fundamental a violation of human rights as murder. (Amazing that we would have to have a resolution to that effect: that there are people on earth, that there are people in this very town, probably on my street and yours, who think that it is not murder, but god’s will or some such, actual blasphemy.)

The resolution was not a call to end the death penalty, in which case you’d have expected some states, including the United States, to oppose it, since it is still legal in most American states. It was simply a resolution calling on preventing bias and arbitrariness in the application of the death penalty, especially when it targets religious or ethnic minorities and sexual orientation.

Yet the United States voted against it.

There was no explanation. Just a no vote, sending a message to backward countries that execute the innocent that we’re with you, we feel your sadism and bigotry, we condone your hatred. We approve. In fact, we execute, too, if by pretending that we do it more humanely, as if that were even possible. Just ask Florida, whose Gov. Rick Scott signs death warrants like a scythe signing autographs.

The LGBT community was shocked by the vote. The State Department then felt compelled to clarify. It claimed that while it “unequivocally” condemns killing gays, the concern was “with the resolution’s approach in condemning the death penalty in all circumstances.” But that’s precisely what the resolution did not do. And the vote stands. So does its message.

This is not the vote of a great country. It’s the vote of a small-minded, a mean and demeaning country. A country in the image of its president who then spoke of his pride in this country in serial tweets even as his every other pronouncement is a cleave, a slur, a boast, a lie or a disgrace. This, of course, is what he meant by “American carnage” in his inaugural address. You may be proud of it. I’m not.

Pierre Tristam is FlaglerLive’s editor. Reach him by email here or follow him @PierreTristam. A version of this piece aired on WNZF.

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167 Responses for “Pride In “Our Country”? Count Me Out.”

  1. Not my president…total disgrace

  2. Bc. says:

    Well it’s the best country on earth if you are so disappointed in our country than you can go back from we’re you came from. See how that works out for you.

  3. Diana L says:

    “You may be proud of it. I’m not “.
    NOR AM I.

  4. JimBobq says:

    Well, once again, Pierre, you have irked the Palm Coast Tim McVeigh Republican Assembly.

  5. Born and Raised Here says:

    I’m Proud to be an American, and so thankful I live here, and have ali my freedom.

  6. If you are not proud then please go preach your hate somewhere else

  7. Justin says:

    Then go back to where you came from. You are just a typical snowflake liberal.

  8. Well I think the Major was the one in the wrong she did a piss poor job and she the one that was acting like everyone was dying. Sorry I’m very proud of Trump and he was trying hard to get the debt taking care of

    • Sandi Sites says:

      She is a MaYor, not a MaJor. She is doing her job as best she can with limited/no help. A lot WERE dying and still are. And Trump has nothing to do with the debt – oh wait, that’s right he did stiff them for $33 million for a golf course, so maybe if he paid THAT back it would help??

  9. It always amazes me how butt hurt people get about someones opinions.

  10. I know….losing is tough. Get over it.

  11. Maria Morgan says:

    You forgot to mention the atrocity of Melania donning the wrong shoes and eye wear. Really, I am just grateful there are clothing manufacturers willing to cover her model figure. You are a part of the problem, not a solution. Use the power of your pen to bring people together not divide with your hateful opinions.

    • Mayra Arbolay you mean a woman who posed nude for porno pics in bed caressing another nude woman? A woman who posed for a frontal nude shot with her hand where Don the Con boasts about grabbing unwilling women? Didn’t she think she’d ever have a child who’d see those pics? A lot of us have been really broke at times without resorting to that kind of thing to make money.

    • Bonnie Beveridge Underwood Don’t really want to get into the middle of this BUT? What a ridiculous argument against any one person these days as the music and movie industry are 100 x more guilty of vulgar language/clothing/attitude today. AS far as her children seeing? OMG – I am seeing children being raised in the Mondex/Daytona and all over the Nation in homes that are far more vulgar in everyday life. it is the truth. There is no denying it. To use that old and outdated argument against women to get back at Trump? He ain’t the best man but really? Grab a lucid thought about that argument and please stop using it. Otherwise drop the hypocrisy and start crying foul all over the place about the way women are being portrayed everyday by every other type of media and being ACCEPTED EVERYDAY by people that choose to call it “art/fashion/music vids/runway modeling” etc. It looks exactly like what it is…picking and choosing to suit the argument and THAT is what most of the Nation is so sick of.

  12. Kendall says:

    I could not agree more with every word in this article. That person is an abomination to this country and is completely contra to everything America stands for.

    His supporters are every bit as abhorrent as he is.

  13. Miguel Diaz says:

    I’m proud to see liberalism being crushed.

  14. Mark Nan says:

    How sad it is that the men and women who were sent to help in Puerto Rico are not being given the credit that they deserve. These people left their families, they risked their lives to go and help and all anyone can do is whine that it wasn’t enough. Even after the Governor of Puerto Rico praised Trump and mentioned the THOUSANDS of containers and supplies sent to the island, the THOUSANDS of federal workers sent to the island. Even then, whiney little race baiters saw this as a great chance to use Trump to push their disgusting hateful, divisive narrative which is dividing this country. Instead of acknowledging the work that is being done and the help that is being given, disgusting little rat faced trolls like the mayor of San Juan, instead decide to twist this tragedy into something political. She has always hated Trump and her twitter account can easily be searched for her disgusting rants about him. She is very much anti- American and has supported terrorists. I am so glad that Trump stood up to her. She is a disgrace to the people of Puerto Rico who are just waiting for her to get her demon self up and contact FEMA something which the other mayors in Puerto Rico accused her of never doing. She is a trouble maker, and just like all trouble makers and dividers of this country, she will be shown the door.

    • Mark Nan says:

      when Sandy hit the north east, there were people without power and heat, in the freezing cold, for months, not two weeks, MONTHS. There were more deaths from Sandy than there were in Puerto Rico. Did anyone go out and blame Obama for it? Of course not. Yet , even though Trump sent help BEFORE the hurricane hit that island, and IMMEDIATELY AFTER, it still isn’t enough for hate filled demons like yourself. I feel very sorry for people like you.

    • Mark Nan another victim of trump delusion syndrome. Don’t feel sorry for him, he’s just a troll that is smarter than all of us.

    • Danny Mac says:

      You are an illusioned shill who is contributing to the problem because of your ignorance. Just stop. There are precedents how presidents handle these and he failed.

    • Nancy Nally says:

      Mark Nan The official death toll isn’t complete from Puerto Rico yet. There are bodies piled in morgues that haven’t been officially counted in the death toll because they are so screwed up down there just trying to survive that can’t even process the bodies.

    • These deaths are a result of PR having to wait nine days before assistance arrived. There are still people in areas who have not received help. It was known this storm would devastate the island and yet the military was not ready to step in until nine days after the storm ended. FEMA is not equipped to handle this level of destruction. This administration is totally incompetent. The death toll will rise and many could have been prevented.

  15. Randy Jones says:

    I’m proud to be an American. I stand for the flag and I kneel before God. I know that our society is imperfect. I also know that God does NOT make mistakes.

  16. Randy Crum says:

    People like you are the problem…

  17. Sherry says:

    Count me in, Pierre! Right On, Kendall! Every “intelligent” person of “character” is ashamed to have such a despicable person in our white house!!!

  18. Randy Jones says:

    I’m proud to be an American. I stand for the flag and I kneel before God. I know that our society is imperfect. I also know that God does NOT make mistakes.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you on your way back to lebonon.

  20. Knightwatch says:

    This country is turmoil and it is an existential struggle. We all thought we had a rock solid democracy, unassailable and indomitable, now and forever. The Trump tsunami has proven that while our democracy is 3,000 miles wide, it’s a quarter inch thick and incredibly fragile. It can be overthrown in one four-year term and we’re almost one year into its decline. This is no longer a country to be admired. It is no longer a force for good or for hope. It is in the hands of people who have no love or respect for truth, no commitment to ethics or morals or the rule of law, no tolerance for diversity and no concern for those less fortunate. America is violent and hateful. It is an armed and dangerous fortress holding off the evils of globalism. It is not my America.

  21. Melinda Lindsey says:

    I too, agree with this article. This president is an abomination, how he ever got to be rhe leader of this country i will never understand. He is undermining everything the US stands for, other countries are horrified. As for last weeks horror in Las Vegas, things will not change as long as the NRA has Congress in their pocket. And don’t tell me to leave, I was born and raised here, but am not proud of the way we are headed

  22. Icaro Horta says:

    Just because you don’t agree with our current leader, his words, and his leadership, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be proud of the country and its people. Very poor choice of words in already tumultuous times of patriotism and common love. You sir, with a bigger than the average American power of reach considering the platform you expose your ideas in and the amount of people who are able to read your articles, should be a little more mindful of the feelings you may stir, and how you’re influencing people. I’m not an American born citizen, and maybe because I’ve seen other parts of the world, I am most proud and appreciative of this country. You couldn’t rip me out of this country if you tried. I love this country because it loves me back regardless of race, gender, language, or color. We all experience hate or discrimination in one form or another but it doesn’t mean the whole country is bad. We move on and continue our daily lives in this wonderful land that allows me my lifestyle and the best in life. Good luck finding your happy space of this isn’t it.

    • Mark Nan says:

      Yeah seriously, the country I come from is so corrupt and crime-ridden. I kiss the ground I walk on in the US. The man who wrote this article really has no idea what people have to face on a daily basis in other countries. If he spent even one day in my country of birth, he would crap his pants, probably try to swim back to America and then kiss Trump’s feet.

    • When one third of the people in this country don’t have any problem with Trump’s behavior, I’m not proud. Time to stand up to racist talk and behavior. Time to demand effective government, time to demand surveillance-based border security instead of a huge waste of OUR money on a physical wall that would be bad for the wildlife and the environment. Time to put Trump’s golf, and his family, on a travel budget. I’ll be proud again when we clean up Trump’s swamp.

    • Icaro Horta says:

      Bonnie Beveridge Underwood I can appreciate your reply but let’s go back to your comment. You’re not proud because of one third of the country supporting a president you don’t approve of. What you’re saying in mathematical terms is you’re unhappy with 33% + one person in this country. What you’re telling me is that this country is made up of 66% of people who you’re proud of technically, yet because of a small minority, you’re not proud of the country you’re from. Makes sense. It’s like me going to McDonalds, and loving all items in their menu, but I don’t like the fish sandwich. Therefore, I hate McDonalds food… faulty logic.

    • Danny Mac says:

      Thats not how democracy works that is how fascism works

    • Icaro Horta says:

      Danny Mac democracy is a form of government where officials are elected through popular vote, in our presidents case the electoral college, by winning majority of votes in the most populous states. (Wether fair or not is a whole other topic of emotional discussion, and my opinion shall be mine only to know.)

      “Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe”

      Quoted from good old google.

      As you see, the system of government we currently have in place does not fit the criteria for fascism. Radical statements like those are dangerous, and silly to make.

      But as a lover of people, I do appreciate your reply and value your insight! But if you truly think this is fascism, you’d be shocked by 1940s Europe and how fascism really works.

    • Icaro Horta you are correct, our present government is more accurately described as authoritarian, or a kleptocracy, than fascist. And all three are very bad forms of government.

    • How can you be proud of the people who voted for this fool. They choose to see no evil…hear no evil…and only speak evil…

    • Icaro Horta says:

      Eva Marie Chavis didn’t say I was proud of those people. My only point was we should still be proud of our country. Please go back and re-read.

  23. bob says:

    Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of…..ill pack your bags. Nobody will notice or miss you

  24. One day I want to be as proud of my country for avoiding tragedies as I am for how we weather them.

  25. Terminus says:

    I usually do not agree with Pierre all the time but this article is different. I haven’t been proud of this country in a long time and I too was born and raised here. In fact, my great, great, great uncle was our POTUS for a time. This “great” country, so backwards in its thinking, ignoring that all people are guaranteed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, stripping rights away from women, LGBT, minorities, and doing it all with a smile. This isn’t my country or is it? What has changed is that people feel they are free to express their hate, their vitriol because the POTUS talks about grabbing women by the pu$$y with pride. He talks about the “sons” of b!tche$ that kneel, and the majority are African American. He takes a dump on Puerto Rico, American citizens mind you, because they desperately need help administering aide. So what has our dear POTUS done? Shown hatred toward women, LBGT, African-Americans, and Hispanics…all people he said he had no issues with, yet somehow, his actions say otherwise. The hypocrite in chief has allowed this hate to surface and America is forever changed because one man appealed to those that also hate people that look different from the pr!ck staring back at them in the mirror. America was always this way – full of hate – it was overshadowed by common sense ideals that promoted equality and justice that stomped down the hate and pushed it into the shadows. Thanks to Trump and his legion of racist, homophobic, xenophobic, women hating supporters, America has shown it’s true colors to the world and the world should be very scared.

  26. Bill Weber says:

    It’s sad that some people just dismiss critical opinions of others by calling them “liberal snowflakes” who must leave u.s. and relinquish their citizenship.
    Civility is rare especially at the white house.

  27. Regardless of your political stance if you don’t stand for the national anthem your essentially saying that you hate the United States and all that it stands for. You don’t love this country if you don’t respect those who fought and died for it. It’s that simple. Those types of people should be ashamed.
    Now then, regarding the topic. As many other people have stated even though you disagree with the president doesn’t mean you shouldn’t respect his position and respect this country. We are Americans first and that’s what matters. Instead of using this article to preach hate and division we should work together to try and solve the problems that we have. This is not very productive in coming up with a solution.

    • People of color are being slaughtered by officers WE pay to keep us ALL safe and you are worried about people kneeling instead of standing when the anthem is played? Tell me, do you jump to attention every time you hear it before a game?

    • Every time I hear the national anthem played I stand for it and face the flag, no matter what I’m doing. The police officers are doing their job. Police brutality isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be. It’s the gangs we have to worry about.

    • I was in Dresden Germany last month walking through the old city and heard a band playing “The Anacreontic Song” AKA the USA’s National Anthem. We stopped our bicycles and stood, hand over heart for the whole thing. We were not the only Americans in Dresden that day either. Guess how i know? ️

    • Jarred Rexroad – it’s only not as “bad” for the likes of you, for those privileged enough to not having been born a ‘scary’ color, that tint that makes cops shoot at people whose freaking hands are handcuffed or shoot at 12 yo’s holding water guns. But hey – that would never happen to your kids, so clearly, it’s not as bad. At least it’s honest, I guess.

  28. Frank Furter says:

    Thank you for another heartfelt article with which I agree. I appreciate the richness of your vocabulary and the historical references. To think that the leader of our country let alone most of his supporters would not be able to read or comprehend the significance of your words is depressing. Just when you think our current government can’t get worse, it does. Will sanity prevail in D.C. and keep us from a nuclear war.

  29. He is an effing moron, just like Tillerson said!

  30. Robin says:

    Totally agree with this article. This administration is hellbent on taking this country back to the good ole days- which was filled with discrimination, unfair business and hiring practices, rampant rejection of equality and total denial of individual liberty for anyone other than white men. Not to mention the hideous embarrassment this president has brought to us on the world stage. I’m ashamed to admit my congressional district voted for people for whom chanting “jews will not replace us” isn’t a deal breaker. Sad.

  31. Veteran says:

    All I needed to see was the title of this article. Did not read it. Pierre and everyone that agrees with you can get the hell out of my country!

  32. Richard says:

    You are brave, Pierre. And you are right, too.

  33. Very proud of our press and the work they are doing.

  34. Yourstruly says:

    Clearly you didn’t vote for this President! Lol

  35. JasonB says:

    What do you expect from an administration that insists that the Vegas shooter’s gun arsenal is “a right,” but medical treatment for his 500+ survivors is merely “a privilege.”

  36. Bill Hensley says:

    Would love to avoid this train wreck of a columnist without deleting the entire feed…most of his ramblings are like manifestos and a little scary.

  37. Dave Ross says:

    We have a wonderful nation and President.

  38. Patrick says:

    F trump and every racist who voted for him!

  39. PTC Trader says:

    You continue to astound those of us who have served and are proud of our country and the things our president is trying to do inspite of leftwing obstructionists like you. So if you don’t like it leave… or wait till the next election.

  40. Anonymous says:

    All of you ultra liberal free thinkers just keep on downing america and working for the take over of our nation by the globalist. I promise you the getting won’t be nearly so good as the wanting. The US has its faults, but every one here is decended from people who left their own countries because they SUCKED!

  41. Tim Nolan Sr says:

    If Obama through a roll of paper towels it would now be the national sport, an Olympic event and he’d have gotten the Nobel Peace prize again…

  42. Excellent article..!! This Pres. is a national disgrace.!!!

  43. gmath55 says:

    Anybody that agrees with this article is anti American.

  44. Steven says:

    Dear Snowflakes, Pierre, and all the other ungrateful losers! Join the military and you’ll appreciate this country and those who serve it with more respect! Tired of all you POS’s whining like big pathetic babies!! All I have to say is GET THE HELL OUT!! This country can do much better without your biased BS!!!!!! Have a nice day now………..

  45. Danny Mac says:

    Actually the problem is the government and president are pathological liars and the media has to check the rich kid rapist

  46. BG says:

    These are all liberal talking points that have been stated before. Pierre is simply regurgitating what Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews told him to say during a particularly long/naked seance. This entire article is merely a snowflake’s attempt at local relevance because no one came to his birthday party as a child. Take your pen and pad and Che Guevara tee shirt to Cuba. We would be honored to “count you out.”

  47. Carol says:

    Once again, Mr. Tristam speaks the truth and so many people who can’t handle the truth respond with worn, mindless “love it or leave it” comments.

    In my experience, people who respond to all criticism with “this is the best country on earth” have never lived in any other. I have visited more than 60 and have lived in five.

    There are many other countries that have all the Bill of Rights freedoms that we have that also have universal health care and leaders who don’t joke about thermal nuclear war. Among these are other countries that are true democracies where leaders are elected by the voters and not by an antiquated electoral system designed, in part, to placate slave owners; countries where corporations and special interest groups are not able to buy politicians by donating millions to their campaigns directly and through PACs; countries that don’t have a mass shooting every week; countries whose leaders don’t wage war on women and immigrants; countries that believe protecting the planet and life on it is the only real pro-life stand.

    This country has and has always had great potential. Recently we had become a beacon of diversity and tolerance. But that was squandered when a minority of Americans decided they wanted a self-acclaimed serial sexual predator and racist as president. I agree with Mr. Tristam: I am ashamed.

  48. Heidi shipley says:

    I love this country through good presidents and bad. I love this country through hard times and good times.i love this country and all who stand to protect it. Let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with me and you.

  49. Facts says:

    Flagler county is full of nonsense. That goes for all the politicians. You people disgust me.

  50. Dave says:

    I agree, this IS my country, this is NOT my president, he appeals to the weak minded and pushes Russian agendas. Still I love the Trump supporters with my whole American Heart ,For no matter what, we are all sons and daughters of America

  51. Anita m says:

    Thank you Pierre for your convictions in bringing forward this topic. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Our country has lost its moral compass. The I, me, my mentality is killing our democracy. How can we stand by and let this administration change the laws that protect our environment, that provide healthcare to many of our citizens, that provide women the freedom to chose, and the overt sanctioning of white terrorists… to name a few? This. Is. Not. My. America 😡

  52. Gkimp says:

    We are to the point where you don’t want to live in my United States and I certainly don’t want to live in yours Pierre. What’s the solution?

    • Pierre Tristam says:

      Gimp, kindly exclude me from your “we.” I never suggested anywhere that I do not want to live in this country, nor would I ever presume to tell anyone to get out of “mine,” since this isn’t your country or mine any more, or less, than it is yours or mine. Stupidly, foolishly, I happen to believe in “liberty and justice for all,” with emphasis on liberty (justice is too much to ask for in this Job-written world) which seems to me to include divergent opinions (as this comment section, which I ironically happen to edit, attests), and much as Palm Coast code enforcement makes this place feel like North Korea at times, I still think there’s room for differing opinions without risk of guillotine or vulgar trolling. Well, maybe just guillotine. Shame you seem to think otherwise: this black and white approach (either we all agree or one of us gets the hell out of the country) goes against every principle of pluralism, to say nothing of interesting societies where debate, not groupthink, makes the difference between freedom and totalitarianism. You should be disheartened to live among so many people, yourself included, who’d feel more comfortable living in a country that reacts to dissent the way Sutherland does at the end of Body Snatchers:

  53. Anonymous says:

    Be proud of your country. It’s not perfect. No country is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if you can’t appreciate the fact that you live in the greatest country in the world, then either get out, or work towards fixing it. And you’re not going to fix it by sitting at your keyboard complaining. You’re only bringing the division straight home to Palm Coast. That’s not right. Work to bring people together. Not apart.

  54. South Florida says:

    I’m disappointed at what’s happening to our country. It really sucks!

  55. Nancy N. says:

    Blind loyalty to anything – even flag and country – is just that, blind. One day what you choose not to see in your willful blindness will destroy you.

  56. Nancy Nally says:

    How’d you deal with 8 years of Obama?

  57. Rick Kang says:

    America, Love It OR Leave It-NOW! If we END all Foreign Aid and STOP supporting the United Nations, than we can rebuild ALL of America! Tell me what country gives Foreign Aid’ to America? We MUST help poor in America to find good paying jobs! Support our Veterans-Freedom is NOT Freem! God Bless All Americans! Stop the DENAZIS(DemocraticNationalSocialist) from Taking away our FREEDOMS!

  58. I was dump enough to vote for him and regret till this day

  59. Mike B says:

    Pierre, your just another bitter liberal. I hope you learn to deal with your problems by the time he finishes his second term.
    Go Trump Go, 2020!

  60. Marlee says:

    Pierre~~
    Well said and I agree with you 100%..I still can’t understand how people can still support this reality actor who is taking space in the White House.

    I also don’t understand why people who disagree with you have a need to call you names.

  61. Marlee says:

    to Bc, Justin and others who don’t sign their names here….

    When I protested the VietNam war people said “love it or leave it”…can’t you all think of something different to say in these days?????

  62. Sw says:

    Hes still the Commander in Chief. I didnt vote for him. Hope for the best.

  63. Stan says:

    Amazing that we have PRAVDA being published in FLAGLER,WHAT NEXT?

  64. Eva Marie Chavis But why is it unreasonable to ask someone to go that does not want to be here? And why is it deemed OK to retort back to ask someone to leave that DOES what to be here. See the difference?

  65. Chris A Pickett says:

    Lots of other places you can live where they want just one opinion, perhaps you can “take the train” if you’re so unhappy.

  66. Edman says:

    If we examine all the statistics as to what is “great” the USA falls far from great in many ways. We are great at consuming natural resources and spending money on unimportant “things” in life and, of course, spending on our military. We do not pay attention to the more important aspects in life such as health, education, the arts, research, the environment, etc. If we want to be great we need to live and act as if we are borrowing this planet from our children and grandchildren’s future and act upon those things that will leave them a better world than we inherited.

  67. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. Just because they don’t agree with your opinion, doesn’t mean they should leave the US.

  68. Doug Brown says:

    Very poor..sad. You should make plans to move to Venezuela.

  69. open ur eyes says:

    know JESUS know peace we are in a spiritual battle there is nothing new under the sun. as a nation we have turned our backs on GOD judgement has commenced if we dont repent of our sins. and turn back to holy and common sense living then what comes next is not good.

  70. I have always thought that part of being an American was being able to voice your opinion and vote the way you want so I always avoid chatter about politics but when someone says they are “not proud” to be an American, that’s different. I have disliked a few presidents and felt that some have made a mockery of the office they held but never once did any of them have the ability to make me not feel proud that I am an American.

  71. Steadfastandloyal says:

    Long live the palm coast “Che” !! Antifa chapter right here in our backyard

  72. Paul Pasternak says:

    As a Navy veteran I served this country and curse the injury that took my career from me. However, had I still been active duty, I would be looking to get out. The only thing good about Trump is that his election helped to expose a cancer in this country. He made it okay for the foul 20% of our country to spout racial, sexual, and religious bigotry. Trump normalizes hatred and intolerance claiming that only he and his minions love this country. I hope to be proud again of America one day soon when Democrats and Republicans agree to end this national disgrace, and Mueller’s investigation holds any traitors responsible.

  73. Linzey Chaffin says:

    This guy must think guns shoot people,not the nut using them
    Go live where you came from if you don’t like it here

  74. capt says:

    Hey you seem to forget, there was NO US citizen or a gun involved when 9/11 took place and thousands of people died. Regarding the leader of the free world, most people with some intelligence admit , Trump is a nut case and will be here until his first term runs out. As far as America, I’m proud of this country. I’m proud that I served my country for 20 years in the military. If been to other countries that kill people for praying, treat women as slaves and kids as property. A lot of people that have never witnessed this first hand and I’m not talking watching the news, unless you have seen this horror you don’t understand. And taking a knee, well I just don’t watch over paid men playing sports all for the dollar while disrespecting the country. . If they want to protest a nut running this country they can do it in Washington and not on a field of play. . Pierre , we all can bash our current village idiot , but he will be here like I said for years to come unless the voters get real smart next time and stop this madness with a candidate that supports the American people and not their ego or their dollars. . Trump is an embarrassment to what is good in this country and the freedoms we have. People need to vote to make a difference. IF you don’t vote, you have No say so in anything.

  75. tulip says:

    The NRA has had Congress and other politicians in their pocket for decades. As long as the NRA has the VOTERS/CONSUMERS in their pocket, they will continue to influence politicians. Money rules over everything else.

    This is the world our kids and grandkids are going to grow up in.

  76. Pogo says:

    @FL and readers

    Republicans put Nero in office. If they won’t remove him – they’ll burn with the rest of Rome too. Trump, and the Republican party are cupidity and vanity, and nothing else.

  77. George says:

    I love how people who disagree with the anti-racism, pro-equality protests in America really don’t have intelligent arguments against it. When the facts are clearly against them they are reduced to buzzwords and name calling:
    “Liberal snowflake!”
    “That’s fake news!”
    “Go back to wherever you came from!”

    Thankfully it’s easy to see why people think and act this way, you have no one to thank but Donald Trump.
    More than 1,100 lies/false statements/misleading claims in less than 1 year.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.8b4e0840cebb

    That’s the most un-American thing happening to our country.

  78. Sheila Zinkerman says:

    USA USA US…
    A shiny red city of bloodletting and lies.

  79. Chris says:

    I would send you a copy of the U. S. Constitution, but I’m afraid that you would burn it.

  80. Stan says:

    I’m sure many of you cry baby snow flakes don’t know what PRAVDA is about,look it up you might learn something!!!

  81. Paul Pasternak says:

    It’s now called Fox News.

  82. mark101 says:

    Trump’s new TV show: Reality Impeachment. Come on Congress, do something.

  83. Hollis says:

    I’m American and I love my country, you sound like a whiney snowflake, odd you haven’t melted in this Palm Coast heat.

  84. Mark says:

    For those of you who think this is a democracy, dream on. America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Study some history, find out what that means. For those who don’t like it, change it or don’t let the door hit you in the butt! Fill me in on a country you would be proud to be a citizen of.

  85. SA says:

    The real problem is liberals actually convincing the minorities and “voiceless” they actually care about them. They are really into it for themselves, example Jimmy Carter.
    Do you actually think Hillary would’ve done better? She already did such a good job as Sec of State, just research her foundation, the book about her body guard, the “Clinton Body Count”, how a whole generation of children found out about fellatio because of her husbands affair.
    The other problem is liberals always think they’re the smartest in the room. You can throw fact after fact at them, and then if they can’t sputter out anymore kool-aid garbage then come the personal attacks, or the “racism, LGBT,.”
    Finally, the media is about 90% negative of Trump. It’s media bias, and sensationalism at its finest. It’s tough for a liberal to think of something themselves, without a finger to point. They’ve been spoiled, spoon-fed babies for the last 8 years, hearing how bad we are, how “if I had a son, he’d be like trayvon.” If you don’t like it, move to Canada where their doctors helped 2000 people commit suicide last year, I’m sure they could use the work.

    • Pierre Tristam says:

      SA, for all of her faults, to ask whether Clinton would have done better than Trump is like asking whether Christiaan Barnard would have been more qualified than Trump to perform a heart transplant. The answer is yes in both cases. Incidentally, we’d also be better off with Carter in the White House, at his current age and post-brain tumor, than with pussy-grabber playing with the red phone. In a Clinton (or Carter) regime we might, for example, be waking up to French roast this morning rather than another tweet from Dear Leader One threatening war with Dear Leader Two. Evidence is not sensationalism (though your Canadian inventions are), but that rickety ship sailed years ago when Rove made fun of what he called the “reality-based community.” We’re in Fantasyland now, and you must be one of the greeters at the door. Hope you have good health benefits. (Let me guess: Medicare?)

  86. Downtown says:

    Look, there is a divide in this country as wide as the Grand Canyon and it was caused by eight years of Obama. Yes we had issues before Obama but he managed to turn a difference of opinion into a “us vs. them” situation. He had a phone and a pen that he used often but he also had a hammer and a wedge that he used daily to create this big divide. He managed to put poison in the hearts and minds of many of you and it’s here in these comments for all to see. Shame on you Obama and shame on your followers for not thinking for themselves but following blindly.

  87. PC resident says:

    Pierre….did/do you have a problem with the Clinton’s making the bulk of their fourtunes from donationations from these same oppressive countries?

    You would not have the same liberties and freedom in your home land that you enjoy here. They give you the freedom to speak your mind and support your family by writing your opinions and watching others argue over it.

    What perfect country are you proud of, and why aren’t you there yet?

  88. Just the truth says:

    Trump won the election by cheating. Trump is a liar, a con man, and out for only himself. He starts trouble with every tweet he does. They need to do a mental evaluation on him, then the real truth will come out.

  89. Common Sense says:

    The only thing that Don the Con is good at is….CONNING people! And he conned 1/3 of the American people that bothered to vote…at least….that is the numbers right now. Who knows when they finally straighten out the mess his boss Putin created? It is that same 1/3 of the country that continue to defend him no matter what he does or says and he knows it. I wonder how you continue to defend him as you see him and his cabinet being led off to jail, one by one? This little show should be starting any time now….and I for one will pull up a chair with a bowl of popcorn and love every minute of it. Then we’ll see who the snowflake is, huh? (What a moronic expression….wonder who came up with that one? OH I know! It was a MORON in Chief!)

  90. Christopher Anderson says:

    If you really do not like it, you have the choice to leave and go live in another country.

  91. bob says:

    I am with you Veteran!!!

  92. Sherry says:

    Thank you so very much, Carol Rizzard!!! I just watched the video and sent it to about 100 people. . . I encourage each and every one of you to do the same. Watch it again and again, and really “think” about how our “moral compass” has been destroyed, how we are being ripped apart, and what “AMERICAN VALUES” we are continuing to lose faster and faster every day:

    1. HONESTY
    2. INTEGRITY
    3. CIVILITY
    4. ETHICS
    5. COURAGE
    6. COMPASSION
    7. HONOR
    8. STRIVING FOR EQUALITY
    9. EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE
    10. INTELLECTUAL UNDERSTANDING/WISDOM

    These are all the “human” moral foundations of FREEDOM. Our country and our entire culture and society is in great peril! United we stand. . . divided, we are falling and failing!

    WATCH AND LEARN: https://youtu.be/16K6m3Ua2nw

  93. jtcundiff says:

    I may not always be proud of it’s behavior, but I am always proud of our great nation. We have built this nation on the backs and with the hands of too numerous men and women of all colors and nationalities to count. It’s time that we give our President a chance without looking for every petty thing that doesn’t align with our views and start to be a part of the solution.

  94. JasonB says:

    I see the Trumpsters are still outraged over our much beloved former President Obama receiving the Nobel prize but not to worry, The Kremlin has announced that Trump is in the running for Russian employee of the month.

  95. bob says:

    Clinton LOST! LOL!

  96. Buylocal says:

    Your point is well taken. Name of the article is wrong on many accounts. A lot of things to be proud of .
    What’s your motivation here?

  97. Lip Conghee says:

    Capt:
    You are one of the only reasonable ones here. Trump is a disgrace, but I believe it’s a reaction to the way the left has just gone insane, and the post modern ideology that is driving it.:

    https://youtu.be/Nyw4rTywyY0?t=18m5s

  98. Dave Kendrick says:

    If you listen to the news closely the aid is there and has been there. The problem is that they can’t get their own people, i.e. Truckers, to go to work. Over 80% of the truckers won’t work. It’s all the same as in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc gimme, gimme, gimme. You do it all for me. Short of going to PR and driving a truck Trump can’t do anymore if they won’t do for themselves.

  99. GF says:

    “Hope you have good health benefits. (Let me guess: Medicare?)” Pierre, that was as discriminatory and uncalled for as some of the other nasty comments by people in this thread.

    • Pierre Tristam says:

      Not at all Greg: it’s a reference to the commenter’s hypocrisy, as it reeks of criticizing liberals for being “in it for themselves” while barricading itself teaparty-style behind government benefits, such as Medicare–while eagerly and cruelly denying them (read: Obamacare) to others, and bitching about liberals in every other line. No no Greg, if I’m going to discriminate against someone’s age, you’ll know it, though the fact that you were writing a comment to a column about anti-discrimination should have been a hint that you were off base. But if you think pointing out someone’s factless bullshit and veiled bigotry is uncalled for–or comparing a fact-check with some of these trolling screeds–you’re fox-trotting at the wrong site. Interesting though that after a few thousand words in the column and in the thread, this was the only thing you saw fit to say. Does anyone actually read articles through anymore? I’m still waiting on the first voice to say one thing about one of the main points of the column: the unpardonable vote against that anti-discrimination (that’s anti-discrimination, Greg) resolution at the UN. Or are faggots not worth defending? (No Greg, once again, not discrimination: sarcasm.)

  100. capt says:

    I tell when North Korea bombs the United States, maybe we the military should take a knee and let the NFL handle it !

    Sherry, all of those excellent ideologies can be started and followed at the home, sadly that’s what is wrong with America today. the home and the lack of those ideologies are distant.

  101. Anita m says:

    Dave Kendrick, get your facts straight, or aim before you shoot (instead of shooting before you aim)… the truckers had no fuel or way to communicate to know where they needed to be. Do you not understand that 100% of the Island was without electricity and communications? Do you understand that the entire infrastructure needs to be rebuilt? Pockets of light and cell service now. Help from many nations. The Puerto Rican people are dong heroic work to help themselves. So speak not about things you know nothing about

  102. Greg says:

    Pierre,

    There is a difference between being proud of your country or being proud of your government. Maybe you should try to understand a quote by Mark Twain to realign your perspective:

    ‘Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government when it deserves it.’

  103. Chris A Pickett says:

    Guess that “No Bull, No Fluff, No Smudges” motto should be changed. This isn’t news, it is OPINION, and it is sad that just cause someone has editorial powers, that person gets to prognosticate their views on others in a feeble attempt to generate “news”. Flagler Live should be very ashamed of what it is being turned into. If it is Opinion, don’t plaster it out front as if it is NEWS. Put it where it belongs, clearly marked as editorial/opinion. It is sad when a so-called information/news site is reduced to spewing one sided drivel. you should hope you don’t lose readers/viewers over it, but you very well may.

    • FlaglerLive says:

      Chris, it’s an opinion COLUMN, clearly marked as THE LIVE COLUMN, in really bold, black letters, with a mug of the columnist, categorized under COMMENTARY. What more do you want?

  104. Wishful Thinking says:

    Isn’t it time, I ask myself , to do what we can by participating in our government directly? When something – a proposal – a new law out of nowhere appears I open my brain, my computer, my mouth and try to DO something about it. How did Venezuela become what it is today? I lived there for a short time 30 years ago when it was number 1 pal of the US and everything was available that we have here.
    I am concerned that because our polarized society is causing such negative anti-patriotism instead of thinking of and looking for solutions we could wake up one day ad say ” Uh? What happened? When did this happen?” …. Venezuela from riches to rags did not happen overnight… My Venezuelan friends can tell you they never ever believed what their country has become… United we stand- divided we fall.
    We don’t have a self appointed dictator like many countries aside from Korea, Venezuela to name the most recent ones which come to mind – there are many other countries who do not afford rights afforded us in the first amendment, nor the right to vote… nor the right in some to decide who we can marry and who we must marry.
    Last two comments – our flag is our flag – it is sacred. We owe everything we have to those who made sure of that and the only way to show our love for our country is to salute our precious flag period. Our flag is 241 years old – our President is President for just under 9 – N I N E months. Our Flag is not a political ping pong ball – it is our F L A G.
    Last comment: Many of my friends, from childhood and Geraldo Rivera from his days in NYC as a newscaster in the early 70’s will tell you the Puerto Rican government has ignored antiquated power lines for years – the plants were ready to go ! Our state side help arrived to drive supplies that many native Puerto Ricans refused to drive. The big mouth mayor has no right to denounce a government to which she doesn’t pay a damn dime in taxes because Puerto Rico is NOT a state … She never went to FEMA – Geraldo offered to help the dying people she ranted about – and had no time to thank

  105. Lark Day says:

    I’m proud of my country. I’m not proud of the President. He’s an embarrassment to this country.

  106. Sherry says:

    I disagree in this way Capt. . . they are NOT “ideologies”. . . they are solid guiding principles and character traits that WERE once held in great esteem and practiced daily with honor in our white house, the halls of Congress, our state houses, taught in our schools, preached from the pulpit.

    To point the finger so easily and casually. . . and place ALL the “blame” on “them” those who are. . . what? “bad parents”. . . that should be beneath you. I am disappointed.

    Just read the “hate” spewed in the comments here. . . dividing neighbor against neighbor. The Russian are squealing with delight! They are succeeding in turning us against one another, and we are ripping our own culture into shreds. While not shedding one drop of blood, we are rotting from within. They have turned our own first and second amendments into tools of our own demise!

  107. Just Sayin says:

    WOW, I have been following this website for years. Never have I seen so such hatred from so many people. Obama really did transform this country to a country of hate. From the Cambridge cop to Travon Martin to Michael Brown, Obama pushed the false narrative and worked people into a frenzy. Yet, he never addressed the real problems like black on black crime.

    After the 2008 election, Democrats had complete control of the House and Senate, yet they choose to do nothing about gun control. Obama did nothing and today you blame the NRA and Republicans. False narrative again the left keeps pushing

    Today we have an outspoken President who has a completely different world view ( Great Supreme Court pick). He calls them as he sees them and people can not stand it. Ask the NFL how the kneeling during the National Anthem is working out for them.
    Just Sayin

  108. Mark says:

    Snowflake, liberals are in it for themselves. “Do as I say, not as I do” is one of their rules.

  109. NortonSmitty says:

    As a Vietnam Veteran I am finding it increasingly difficult to take pride in a country that would elect Al Bundy President.

  110. gmath55 says:

    So let me get this straight:
    If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor. If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally you get shot. Two Americans got 8 years for crossing into Iran. If you cross the U.S border illegally you get a job, a driver’s license, food stamps, a place to live, health care, child benefits, education and tax free business income for 7 years? NO WONDER we are a country in debt!

  111. gmath55 says:

    ATTN: Bonnie Beveridge Underwood
    If cops really wanted black people dead all they have to do is STOP patrolling their neighborhood(s). And wait………
    NFL stands for – Not. For. Long.

  112. YankeeExPat says:

    One of the best ones I heard this week was from a Conservative Pundit speaking on CNN who called Trump as a “Dime-Store Stalinist”

  113. GF says:

    Pierre: I read the whole thing. I also, based upon the editorial, did a Google search to find out more. I am disappointed that the U.S. did not abstain as in previous years under previous administrations. I believe that had they supported the measure it would have opened a door to other countries calling for sanctions against the U.S. for continuing to allow for capital punishment for anything (different discussion for a different time). It could lead to forcing the United States into a world wide theoretical conflict over the Second Optional Protocol (abolition of all capital punishment; again, a different discussion for a different time). I also don’t think that the U.N. holds any sway with the countries most likely to engage in execution over sexual orientation. I chose to make my simple point based upon your comment because I perceived it a certain way, and beneath you. I didn’t comment on the editorial content or the thread because I also chose not to enter the multi-faceted, nasty fray going on.

  114. Carol says:

    You are absolutely right, Paul Pasternak.

  115. Anonymous says:

    He is not my president, either, and not because he is a Republican. Trump willingly, happily brought in a foreign power THAT HE OWES MONEY TO AND WHO HAS KOMPROMAT ON HIM to help make him president. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had done even a tenth of what Trump’s done in order to become president! I don’t think we’d have a country left after everyone hit the streets in protest. And, for all you folk who adamantly give Trump blind allegiance – what are you going to do/say when Kelly and Mattis and the Intelligence Community finally speak the truth of how Trump came into power? Will you believe then?

  116. Anonymous says:

    If you are a legal US citizen then this is your country. Proud of it or not you need to support it and not tear it down. Without the protections the US constitution provides for individual rights and freedoms we have, we could be like China, Russia, North Korea, or third world countries. We are all ready to judge and insult those leaders we disagree with while we are sitting in our air conditioned homes that are nicer than some countries palaces. Use caution when making statements about not having pride in our country lest we may weaken it to the point some other philosophy takes us over and we lose our freedom and sovereignty . Have patience, the leaders of this democracy change with every election or two. So relax the rhetoric some before you bring down the most free and open society that has ever stood on the face of this earth. The US is not perfect and the Declaration of Independence states in order to form a More Perfect union we hold these truths to be self evident, then the first truth says that all men are created egual. So even though women, blacks, and other minorities have certainly been abused during periods in OUR country all of these groups are genuinely better off than they where before. Blacks have indured slavery and persecution in America, but where would they be as a people if they had stayed in Africa and not been brought to America. Look at the African countries of today, and ask yourselves if the US is such a bad place to live in by comparison. In many countries women have no rights at all such as in the Muslim countries where they can be killed or basically owned by men with no consequences. Women in this country are much better off. Every body needs to just lighten up on their rhetoric before they bring OUR country down.

  117. Nancy w says:

    People are being slaughtered??? Where do you get this stuff? I am at a loss as to how to reply. Slaughter is what happened in Las Vegas, at the Pulse in Orlando, Columbine etc. No police officers ever slaughtered anyone. Yes, there have been police shootings that were unwarranted but don’t blame all police. Like it or not the overwhelming majority are justified.

    • Pierre Tristam says:

      Las Vegas massacre: 58 dead. Pulse massacre: 50 dead. Sandy Hook massacre: 28 dead. Columbine massacre: 15 dead.

      People shot and killed by police so far in 2017, the United States: 767. In 2016: 963. In 2015: 991.

      “Although black men make up only 6 percent of the U.S. population, they account for 40 percent of the unarmed men shot to death by police” in 2015. “In the majority of cases in which police shot and killed a person who had attacked someone with a weapon or brandished a gun, the person who was shot was white. But a hugely disproportionate number — 3 in 5 — of those killed after exhibiting less threatening behavior were black or Hispanic.” From the Washington Post’s ongoing analysis of documented officer shootings, which a Harvard study now finds may be under-counting those killings by half.

      That’s where the commenter is getting all “this stuff.” No one is blaming “all police.” Not by any stretch. But let’s not be disingenuous, either, or act like Capt. Renault and pretend to be shocked at the use of the word “slaughter.”

  118. You’re idiots?? says:

    i’m sorry but, all of you telling them to go back to their country need to shut the hell up. i was born in colorado, i get told “go back if you hate it so much.” are you dense? that’s a state in AMERICA the place you preach as the best because you support racism, sexism, terrorism, white supremacy, etc. you’re all mentally challenged.

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