Flagler County leaders from across a broad spectrum were reacting with shock, sadness, anxiety and concern to the assassination Wednesday of Charlie Kirk, the right-wing activist, charismatic speaker and incendiary provocateur, who was shot while doing what he did best: engage with university students while manifesting the nation’s oldest tradition of free expression.
The killing is the latest in an alarming rise in political violence targeting high officials on both sides of the political spectrum, from the attempted kidnapping of Michigan’s Democratic governor in 2020 to the storming of the Capitol the following year to the attempted bombing of both parties’ headquarters to the two assassination attempts against President Trump and the murder of Minnesota’s Democratic House Speaker an her husband earlier this year, all of it suggesting breaking or broken politics.
Kirk, 31, a father of two, was the founder of Turning Point Action, an influential political action organization, and in 2016 had been the youngest speaker ever to address the Republican National Convention. He was shot by an individual apparently of college age while addressing a very large audience at a Utah Valley University amphitheater some 45 miles south of Salt Lake City. His killer has not been apprehended or identified, though law enforcement had collected significant clues by this morning, including the murder rifle.
“I’m incredibly saddened by the loss of Charlie Kirk—for his family and for our country,” Palm Coast Vice Mayor Theresa Pontieri said today. “He was a man of God who stood up for the very principles that our country was founded on. Charlie’s unwavering passion for his beliefs and his dedication to engaging with the next generation was inspiring. His willingness to stand firm on his principles, even in the face of criticism, reflects a commendable sense of conviction and courage. His work embodied a sincere commitment to fostering a nation where free speech and individual liberty are cherished, attempting to make respectful discourse the norm. He will be missed. May God bless his family as they mourn the loss of a wonderful husband, father, and son.”
Local reactions echoed Pontieri’s regardless of politics or background.
Jay Scherr, president of Flagler Tiger Bay Club, the non-partisan civic organization built on principles of open and respectful discourse, was preparing to send a message to the club’s board and membership this afternoon. Noting the coincidence with 9/11, the message read, in part: “ These moments call us to reflect on our shared values, the choices we make in the face of tragedy, and the example we set for others.”
Reiterating the club’s guiding principles, including “the ability to bring passion to issues without anger,” Scherr added: “Now more than ever, these principles matter. Difficult conversations are necessary. When approached with civility and respect, they keep the door open to understanding and progress. In a time of increasing polarization, we have both an opportunity and a responsibility to lower the temperature, model constructive dialogue, and unite around the many values and hopes we share.”
Mark Dwyer, a Palm Coast attorney and the first vice president of Flagler Tiger Bay Club, at times sings the National Anthem or other songs emblematic of the club’s–and the nation’s–principles. “It’s an unspeakable tragedy, he said of the murder. “As a country that values free speech as our one of our highest principles, the very first amendment to our Constitution, to have people violently disagreeing because people speak differently and their whole different beliefs is the most un-American thing that I can think of. The fact of losing a young father and husband, my heart just goes out to their family.”
Superintendent LaShakia Moore was at the annual 9/11 commemorative stair climb at Hammock Beach Resort this morning. She had participated in the climb to some extent. The killing had left her speechless. “I will tell you,” she said, “standing out there at the 9/11 stair climb as we’re doing this, and you’re seeing the flag and you’re hearing the national anthem, and you have all of these people to reflect on something 24 years ago, you can’t help but reflect on yesterday.”
The superintendent addressed the matter from the perspective of the district’s 13,000 students. “What happened yesterday is unacceptable, and we cannot normalize it, we cannot, we just can’t,” Moore said. “I want our students to know that, know the adults around them don’t think it’s okay. But for me as an educator, I want our students to know how to engage in discourse with others who believe and think differently than they do.”
That is the norm in school, Moore said, where disagreements escalate to violence only “very rarely.” In class, “our students are taught how to take opposing views. They are taught how to engage in dialogue and discourse within the classroom.” It’s a different story beyond schoolhouse doors, where several district students have lost their lives in gun violence over the last half dozen years. “We see violence that happens out amongst young people and we as adults have to just continue to make sure that we’re showing them a better and a different way in order to resolve conflict,” Moore said.
David Ayres, President of Flagler Broadcasting, hosts the weekly Free For All Fridays show on WNZF and on YouTube, essentially the only regular audio-visual forum for diverse local views. The killing left him “stunned,” he said. Kirk “wasn’t just a great speaker, he was a great listener, and people loved his open mic format where anybody and everybody could just get up and get on the soapbox and express their views and openly debate them with respect. That style is what particularly younger people like. That’s why he was popular with the college campuses and things like that. That’s what they were thirsting for, not hate. Ayers added: “I hope that his assassination inspires thousands of people to adopt his style and make America a better place, which is what he wanted to do.”
A “deeply saddened” Darryl Boyer, a former candidate for the Florida House of Representatives, is among those Kirk directly influenced. He’d met him early in his college years and joined Kirk’s Turning Point chapter on his campus.
“As a Gen Z conservative, his leadership left a lasting mark on my life,” Boyer said today. “During college, especially through Covid and the 2020 election, when campuses weren’t always welcoming to diverse viewpoints, TPUSA created a space where conservative voices could grow and be heard. His vision inspired countless young leaders, myself included, and his impact will continue for generations.” Boyer credits Kirk for giving him “the confidence to speak up, stay true to my values, and become more engaged in leadership and public service.”
Kirk was a close confidant of President Trump, whose election last November owed a debt to Kirk’s power of persuasion among young voters (Trump called the killing a “dark moment for America.”) Kirk was a ubiquitous presence on television and online, writing books and hosting “The Charlie Kirk Show,” a podcast. Between his ideology and remarkable media savvy, he thrived in the tradition of Aimee McPherson, Charles Coughlin, Robert Welch and Phyllis Schlafly, achieving a level of influence at a younger age than his predecessors.
He also provoked criticism often as radical as his views: he was a climate change denier, had no patience for diversity, multiculturalism or LGBTQ rights, endorsed the racist Great Replacement Theory, which has its roots in anti-Semitism, opposed the separation of church and state, and made provocation a thematic part of his personality. He often spoke with the motto “prove me wrong” emblazoned near him, as he did Wednesday. If his positions would have been considered on the fringe of extremism in previous decades, they no longer were, in no small part due to his role in mainstreaming them among a segment of the hard-right movement.
Enrique Tarrio, the former leader of the Proud Boys, again called for “war” after the assassination, by reposting the call from a Jan. 6 defendant, as he had been, while U.S. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, the Florida Republican, wrote on X that “Every damn one of you who called us fascists did this.”
Sheriff Rick Saly is concerned about the assassination spawning more violence. The sheriff’s 1991 master’s thesis (“The Futuristic Needs Assessment of Florida’s 21st Century Chief Law Enforcement Administrator”) was about civil unrest, predicting that people would give up “some freedoms and liberties in the name of security.” He saw the Kirk assassination as a “throwback to the 1960s,” when several leaders were assassinated–the two Kennedys, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King–and violence only ramped up toward the end of the decade, with frequent domestic terrorism. (“From the time I was a youth in North Carolina and experienced the shocking assassinations of JFK, MLK and RFK,” Flagler Beach Commissioner Scott Spradley, an attorney, said in a text. “I would never have believed that 60 years later, this barbaric practice continues to thrive. I feel much sorrow for Mr. Kirk’s family and friends during this dreadful time.”)
There’s data to back up the sheriff’s and Spradley’s concerns. Studies find between 8 and 40 percent support for political violence among Americans, depending on the study. But the study of studies also cautions that “despite media attention, political violence is rare, amounting to a little more than 1% of violent hate crimes in the United States.”
“You can have discourse by opinion and through free speech, and then the voters get to decide. But trying to affect change this way usually has the opposite effect,” Staly said. “It rallies one side or the other. I was shocked. I mean, here’s a young family now, two children, a wife that’s never going to see her husband again, two children, one basically an infant, really, from at least the photos I saw, because I didn’t know him. They’re going to grow up without their father or without their husband, and it’s just a tragedy all around. It’s not the way to get your point across. You might silence one person, but you will start a movement that’s even stronger than the one person. And we’ve seen that.”
Perry Mitrano, who heads the Flagler County Republican Executive Committee, called the murder “senseless and disturbing,” decrying the silencing of a voice that had been a “motivator of people, especially students.” Mitrano noted that there had been yet another school shooting today (in Colorado). “Violence has no place in politics, no place in schools. It’s never going to be acceptable, but it still happens,” he said. “On this anniversary of 9/11 it reminds us that innocent people die because murderers had no comprehensible reason at all for their senseless actions. The Florida GOP is praying for the families of all those victims.”
Janet Sullivan, who heads the Flagler County Democratic Party, said “violence is never the right answer to solve anything. And I feel so bad for his wife and his children and the rest of his family.” Sullivan had not known much about him–she does not own a television–other than what she had learned reading about him. She does not care for his views, but noted that no views justify a killing.
Sullivan was disturbed by the reactions she was gleaning, such as Tarrio echoing the call for “war” and other worrisome reactions she saw–from both sides of the spectrum. But she repeatedly stressed: “We don’t know who did it.” Yet blame has been frequent, she said, heightening local anxieties.
“From the reading I did last night, this is only going to get worse until it doesn’t,” Sullivan said. “And I can tell you that based on some of the comments that people had after this, I’m a little worried about going to work today. I’m a little worried about all of our friends, my friends from Flagler County, my friends from St Johns County, who are going to go up to Castillo de Marco on Saturday morning to march to save our Florida parks.” People, she said, “are just inciting more of this. And I’m afraid that there’s enough people saying this that there might be some people who will do this.”
Staly echoed Sullivan in one regard: “My prediction here is that it’s only going to get worse as we head to the mid-term elections,” he said.
“This is exactly why the Flagler County Sheriff’s Office has a Homeland Security section,” the sheriff said. “It’s why we have a Criminal Intelligence Unit, because we try to vet all the events, as long as we know about them, and try to prepare and see if there have been threats. Now, the best thing that the community can do is if they hear a threat or see something that causes concern–posted on Tiktok, social media platforms–to let us know, let us vet it.”
Local voices echoed national voices in other ways. “The foundation of a free society is the ability to participate in politics without fear of violence,” Ezra Klein, the opinion columnist and New York Times podcaster. “To lose that is to risk losing everything. Charlie Kirk — and his family — just lost everything. As a country, we came a step closer to losing everything, too.”
Bob Cuff, the attorney and former Palm Coast City Council member who took civility to an art form, said when asked for a reaction this morning that his response was always going to be John Donne’ tolling line, “‘Each man’s death diminishes me, For I am involved in mankind.’ No right or left, no ifs, ands or buts,” Cuff wrote. “Until we truly learn that and do what we can to apply it in our lives today, to every life, the cycle will only grow worse.”
Samuel L. Bronkowitz says
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we
Fran Michel says
This is horrible news. Hope to see Darryl Boyer get back involved and represent. God bless America, the Kirk family, and our youth.
Samuel L. Bronkowitz says
https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-louisville-shooting/
Will says
Kirk was a terrible person who spread hate and division. A mouthpiece for propaganda. This guy wanted to bail out the pelosi attacker! What did he say about the democrat that got murdered a few weeks ago? He was a right wing fascist that is no more.
Just a thought says
I did not agree with his politics or the way he sent his message but I wholeheartedly agree and support his right to free speech. It is a sad in our Country.
YankeeExPat says
It was Hate crime killing with a Gun period. (motive ,..personal, political, religous or otherwise ) .
All the victim and his family get is the “Thoughts and Prayers”….bla, bla bla , bla , bla! routine
See you in the next 30 days or so for the next public killing event !
And yes, on this the Anniversary of 9-11 don’t be beguiled b
y the somber Memorials,………… The Terrorist Won !
Read the Osama Bin Laden manifesto analytically. as it is available online.
Skibum says
Charlie Kirk was a lightning rod for the young conservative political movement. He was controversial, he had an in-your-face assertiveness, and used pseudo-Christian religion and cherry picked bible verses to back up, justify, and try to normalize bigotry and racism. But he didn’t deserve to be the latest victim of American gun violence because of his political views.
Kirk has made comments in his past speeches that seem to excuse our nation’s national disgrace of out of control gun violence, saying it was… uh hum, “unfortunate”, in order to “keep our 2nd Amendment and other God given rights.” And now Kirk himself has become the most recent gun violence statistic.
As tragic as this horrible crime is, I have to wonder if his widow, or maybe his two young children when they are old enough, will agree with his repeated statements and come to the conclusion that her husband’s untimely death due to gun violence, their father’s murder, was merely an “unfortunate” happening as part of our nation’s ability to retain the too often revered 2nd Amendment in it’s present form, and the people’s right to go out and buy as many guns as they want, to walk around our communities armed to the teeth, and have nearly zero restrictions or obstacles for anyone, including many with mental problems, to be in possession of all sorts of deadly firearms, making it as easy as buying candy for children to get a hold of, and USE guns on other kids in our communities, our schools. Wow, the 2nd Amendment… what a “great” idea in our present 21st century.
I’d love one day to hear his widow’s take on his past statements regarding guns. In fact, I’d love even more for Congress to actually LISTEN to all of the families, parents, friends and survivors of the hundreds of mass school shootings we have in America each year.
And then I would love even more if Congress and our elected federal and state “leaders” would actually DO SOMETHING! To at least make an effort to prevent such horrific loss of innocent lives to gun violence in the future, instead of just standing there, uttering the meaningless “thoughts and prayers” while they turn their backs on the American people and do nothing.
They act like they have somehow been neutered, blindfolded, handcuffed and transported to another planet, completely unable, despite their vast power and authority, to fix this horrible, rising death tally from gun violence. I say to the sane among us… if they cannot or will not do something, then we MUST remove the dead weight and elect competent, responsible, ethical representatives of our citizenry to do the job others refuse to do!
The dude says
Where were all these MAGA tears when a Dem rep was gunned down in her home?
Or when kids daily get shot in school?
MAGA currently wailing and crying, then comparing dude to MLK jr is repugnant at best.
Nobody deserves something like this, but let’s not get it twisted, he peddled hate.
BillC says
The politics of “retribution” and hate filled rhetoric such as labeling those who disagree or protest “scum” or “disgusting degenerates”, who call for followers to “kick the crap out of” hecklers, to tell police “don’t worry about people in custody hitting their heads on squad doors”, who advocate a violent assault on the Capitol, then call them “patriots”, it is a foregone conclusion that more violence, division and hatred can only be the result unless a new course is taken. The world is watching and our enemies will surely cheer our disunity and take advantage of it, and our allies will question our reliability. The US will be weakened.
“A house divided cannot stand”.
Don’t be empathetic says
“I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.” Charlie Kirk
Jake from state farm says
In today’s deeply divided political climate, it’s more important than ever to stand against violence—no matter who it’s aimed at or where it comes from.
Charlie Kirk has been a vocal advocate for conservative values, and while not everyone agrees with his views, that should never make him or anyone else a target of threats or violence. Disagreement is a cornerstone of democracy. Violence is its undoing.
Too often,including here on FL conservatives are broadly and unfairly labeled as “Nazis” or “fascists” by extreme voices on the left. These kinds of labels are not only historically inaccurate and intellectually lazy—they’re dangerous. They dehumanize political opponents and make it easier for some individuals to justify aggression.
We must all do better—left, right, and center. Let’s challenge ideas we disagree with through debate, not demonization. Let’s call for accountability in rhetoric before it becomes action. And let’s remember: political violence, from any side, is a threat to all of us.
The one big difference that you may have noticed, after this tragedy there are no cities burning, no stores being looted…. makes you say hmmmmm
DaleL says
I was going to type out a rant against Republicans and their nearly unlimited support for guns. The type of guns, bump stocks and large capacity magazines that can be used in a mass shooting. We have seen all too many of those.
In this case though, the reporting is that just one shot was fired from about 175 yards. Just for a comparison, the distance from the Book Depository (Lee Harvey Oswald) to John F. Kennedy in Dallas was just 90 yards. The shooter in the assassination attempt on Donald Trump was about 140 yards away. In this murder, banning guns would not have helped.
For our democracy to survive, political violence, including dangerous rhetoric, must be curtailed. Can we not at least find common ground on some things? Vaccines = good; Diseases = bad?
Mothersworry says
I didn’t agree with much he had to say. But, I’d defend his right to say what he did. Is he a hero? No! He, was a political operative and a heck of a fund raiser. Does his murder rise to the status of one who the president orders our flag lowered to 1/2 staff? Not in my world. Actually, if all the pols including the idiot in the WH would get a large cup of STFU, we would be a better country and he might be alive today..
Villein says
I’m not sure these elected officials and influential others know who Charlie Kirk was, only that they must put on a show as prescribed by their base. This fellow was fond of quoting the Bible so here’s one you may have heard- Hosea 7-8: 7They have planted the wind
and will harvest the whirlwind.
The stalks of grain wither
and produce nothing to eat.
And even if there is any grain,
foreigners will eat it.
8The people of Israel have been swallowed up;
they lie among the nations like an old discarded pot
Amen,
All action begins with words. Violent rhetoric will lead to violence. Seems like you have to have violence if you want to allow free speech in much the same way you must have shootings if you want the freedom to bear arms. We have no true leaders and that is why we have chaos. A true leader unites the people as a shepherd gathers his flock.
disgusted says
So, school shootings have become so mainstream, but not seeing much on latest school shootings, only focusing on Kirk, where is the sympathy for those in the school shooting? Granted, it is a heinous event that Kirk was murdered, but so was the school shootings. So do we only care about celebrity shootings and not for our children’s safety. Kirk said that some shootings are acceptable, I don’t expect he included himself in the acceptable category, but apparently death of our school children is acceptable?
JimboXYZ says
Well, the authorities have recovered the rifle. They have a person of interest & photos. This one is on the run like that one in Utah that shot 3 or 4 victims. They’ll eventually apprehend the assassin. Will he have committed suicide or will this be a debate over life imprisonment & due process ? That’s where we are Thursday, 09/11/2025.
I feel for the other 2 individuals that were relatively identified and released because there was no connection. I read one of them was cited for obstruction of the investigation ? I’m curious, how one gets charged for obstructing an investigation where they are released & cleared, that there was zero connection to being the individual they were after ? They probably had no answers to the usual interrogation process of questions that we see in routine traffic stops. And if they say they don’t know anything, they certainly weren’t obstructing an investigation because they simply weren’t lying. I gotta believe & feel as though the 1st 2 individuals were victims of an event & investigation that simply made zero sense to pull one of them, a 77 year old like that. I can’t imagine a 77 year old operating a rifle with that level of accuracy & expertise ? Then again, one would have to be a sniper to overcome the vision aspect of being that good a sniper ?
We are Charlie says
I won’t be quiet. So much absolute bull posted here. Taking statements out of context, leaving out related points, or outright lies.
Charlie brushed off empathy because he saw it as this overused, kind of trendy idea that he thought did more harm than good. He felt like people use “empathy” to pressure others into agreeing emotionally instead of debating things logically. He always said he preferred sympathy since it’s more detached but still caring. His issue was with how much modern culture leans on feelings instead of reason.
He would still rightfully support 2A, even knowing he would be assassinated and become a martyr. People kill, the tool is irrelevant.
His point against Civil Rights is that race shouldn’t be a factor in anything, ever, positive or negative. He fully believed in the rights of all Americans, regardless of race. His argument was less about opposing civil rights, and more about what he frames as an overcorrection, where laws meant to protect equality now fuel a culture of state-enforced diversity and limit traditional freedoms.
Charlie was respectful to all. He loved everyone and helped them and gave them advice that would lift them up and out of their victimhood mentality that the left wants everyone to have.
The left has blood on their hands. They constantly call everyone a Nazi, Hitler, Fascist and many more. Sure, the leaders don’t actually call for violence, but they openly demonize and scare others hoping to get someone to act. Too many riots, looting, burning, and murders from the left.
We are Charlie. We are active. We’re just getting started. We will not forget.
Skibum says
Well, Jake, you certainly got it mostly right. I can and will agree with you that we ALL need to stand against violence. I agree that nobody deserves to be shot for their views.
It is only your last sentence that I must take issue with, so please indulge me for a moment, because it kind of sounds as if you are sticking your finger in a liberal’s eye, saying “See, see! No cities burning, no riots in the streets by conservatives after Charlie Kirk’s murder. That is only something liberals do when one of their heroes are murdered. We are patriots!” Am I reaching, Jake?
The first thing that comes to mind is, just wait… it hasn’t even been 24 hours since Kirk’s killing, so how is it possible or justifiable to spout such a claim of no revenge to anyone or anything considered “liberal, woke, etc.” as a result of this horrible shooting? I think it is way too early for such unknowns. Especially since Enrique Tarrio, former leader of the proud boys terrorist group has already fomented hate and a call to violence from his terrorist buddies that were pardoned and/or released from prison by the convicted felon president.
Gee thanks a bunch to our prez pea brain… now a sordid bunch of loser domestic terrorists that are all upset by the killing of Kirk, which HE let out of prison and unleashed back into society to continue to prey on people, probably are already accumulating more guns and explosives, planning there next assault on democrats or perhaps democracy as a whole. And the convicted felon prez doesn’t care at all, and will undoubtably deny, distract and try to confuse the American people when and if these domestic terrorists strike again in his name! There are many others just like them out there… with LOTS of guns!
So, Jake… take a deep breath and hold it like the rest of us, hoping almost beyond hope that your premonition comes to pass, and that America does not devolve into the civil war that prez dipshit is longing for so he can declare Marshal Law on the entire country and become the defacto forever “dear leader” that he is so envious of in other dictatorships.
GW says
Will this be a “Turning Point” for all the hate and vitriol in this country? Unfortunately not. As long as people stand by and accept Trump’s behavior as normal and Kirk’s equally hateful rhetoric we will not move ahead as a Nation.
Joe D says
Political Violence of ANY KIND to prove your position is unacceptable from ANY viewpoint! Free Speech (still, at the MOMENT) is the law of the land (as long as it’s not threatening—“assault,” or out outright willful lying about a person—“slander”).
I might not have agreed with much of Kirk’s statements and beliefs, but he had every right to express them without fear of reprisals, certainly not the loss of his LIFE.
There really is a wide spread range of responses…from both Community Leaders on both sides of the aisle, and on social media comments in some cases appear as hate filled as this senseless MURDER of a young man expressing his beliefs.
One shocking hate filled (outrageous, in my opinion) RANTING comment from Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna posting on “X”…unfortunately I can’t get the comment to COPY from a secondary media source to print here, but those of you who are interested in her post can find it on “X”…made the assumption that it was liberals (not SAYING it in so many words) but commenting on drugging kids, and cutting of children’s genitalia etc etc. and stirring up hate—-to blame for this murder.
There is only a person of interest at the moment, so NO ONE knows the EXACT motive for the murder! People are assuming it was a liberal extremist, when it could be an upset parent of a student influenced by Kirk’s rhetoric, or just some random mentally unstable person with access to a high powered rifle. We are assuming, if he could accurately shoot Kirk from that extended distance, he had to have more than just CASUAL experience with a rifle.
I would like to discount the statement of Florida Representative Luna as due to everyone’s emotions running high, and people in shock at such a senseless crime! But I would expect more calm and focus than her online post.
For me, if I were out in the public eye as a Community influencer, I would be using a folding bullet proof booth when speaking at large outdoor political events…there are just too many radical extremists on BOTH sides of the spectrum
Condolences to his young family and those that believed in his stance.
We are Charlie says
Acting like people don’t know why this was done is more typical bull from the leftist media. They bury anything that doesn’t suit their narrative. There were trans and antifa writings/engravings on the rounds. Is it really that hard to put together? This person should be caught, and I hope it hurts in the process, and then fried like chicken. There was NOTHING hateful about Kirk’s debates and communication. Not a single thing.
I challenge anyone to fully quote an entire dialog where he was being hateful. You can’t cherry pick 1 sentence like the left did with Trump’s “very fine people, on both sides.” when they all left out his next statement “and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
People are doing the same thing to Kirk now. Cherry picking things out of context. They don’t even know or watch him. They just repeat lies they see on social media or MSNBC. Stop it. Post a link to a full video showing him being hateful. You can’t. It doesn’t exist. Stop believing the liberal lying media. Charlie was a loving patriot who loved America and wanted to see it succeed. Unlike the left who simply wants to destroy everything that has made America great. You people make me sick.
We won’t be silenced. We are Charlie.
Thomas Hutson says
Wow how the world turns! So, so many know it alls have placed Kirk on that white horse, and are treating him as a head of state or a major dignitary with full honors! He was a private citizen, the victim of a shooting, nothing more!
This response from this current administration proves their priorities in this country today, oh he was one of us! As for me personally, I’ll wait for the facts and truths to come out on “Who and Why” was Kirk shot. If, this is a big IF, taco Orange man allows the truth to come out.
David Schaefer says
It’s the same old thing tRUMP had to blame the Dems for Kirks killing. Can’t wait to vote in the next election.
dwise says
I think the real challenge with Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric is that it was often tilted in a way that made progress sound like a threat. But if we’re willing to unpack it instead of reacting at face value, there’s nuance worth considering — and even value in the divisiveness itself. His sharp edges could have been a launch point for deeper thought, pushing us to look at issues from new angles we might otherwise avoid.
Take the way we identify inventors, leaders, and business people as “Black” first. Historically, that label mattered to fight erasure, but it can also risk confining achievement to a racial qualifier rather than honoring the accomplishment itself. The truth is that ingenuity, grit, and confidence brought Black Americans into spaces never meant to welcome them — and they did so in spite of systemic barriers. That success strengthens the entire nation. The real anxiety isn’t from everyday people but from entrenched wealth, still concentrated in elite circles, that feels threatened by new or growing wealth outside its control. Race becomes the easy scapegoat, but the deeper struggle is about preserving privilege.
The same pattern shows up in Kirk’s takes on LGBTQ+ issues and immigration. He often cast recognition of LGBTQ+ people or inclusion of immigrants as existential threats. Yet, like Black Americans, these groups have enriched the nation with resilience, creativity, and vitality. Their progress doesn’t diminish everyday Americans; it expands what the country can be.
If we can honor the fact that Kirk’s rhetoric sparked discomfort, we might see that discomfort as a tool — a chance to examine what lies beneath the surface of polarizing claims. Instead of dismissing divisiveness outright, we could leverage it to sharpen our own thinking and build a new way forward: one that honors history without getting trapped by labels, one that recognizes resilience as central to America’s story, and one that strengthens all of us by celebrating contribution rather than feeding grievance.
Dennis C Rathsam says
The liberals here, are a disgrace, not one of you fools is a patriot. Pages on this form are filled with hate & lies about our president. Now they get thier jollys over an assasination of a 31 yr old man. A God fearing young man who had a special calling. Your peoples hate of anything GOP is sickening. Your so call news, on TV, is a disgrace to free speach. Name calling & lies against the GOP is one of the reasons the jackass party is polling at 19%! They constantly blame TRUMP, but offer no solutions, just more hate. No leader, no plans Just bash TRUMP. How did that work in Nov for you? 4 years you all bashed TRUMP….What did it get you? 4 more yrs of TRUMP. Keep up the good work.
Tired of it says
You reap what you sow. He sowed extremism, violence, racism, anti semitism and misogyny. I find it offensive, in the extreme, that trump would fly the flags at half staff for him but not for the dead children, victims of the senseless violence Kirk fueled with his speeches.
James says
… I had never heard of Kirk before his assassination. Even with his apparent close relationship with Trump. You don’t have to believe that, but it is true.
My first impression, and only impression, based on the news footage of the event, the reactions of the students and the subsequent background information of him, he died as he wanted, doing exactly what he felt was right… in other words, he wanted to be a martyr, and he succeeded.
My condolences to his children.
Just my opinion.
Michael Cocchiola says
Charlie Kirk is not a man to be mourned or missed. He was a MAGA provocateur, a serial racist, misogynist, and xenophobe, as are all MAGAs. He was a spokesperson for Whites only. He was indeed a proponent of female slavery — barefoot in the kitchen, and giving birth to White babies to sustain White supremacy in America. And he was crude and callous, calling the deaths by gunfire of men, women and children an acceptable price to pay to preserve Americans’ 2nd Amendment right to kill men, women, and children.
Kirk has now been drained into the sewer of America’s sordid MAGA history. MAGAs will rend their clothes and rip their hair out in memory of a truly horrific human being who professed to be a Christian but was more akin to a rabid mongrel.
Ed P says
In a moment of reflection, a political assassination is different than most violence discussed in the posts above. This is bigger than Charlie Kirk.
Without some type of human connection, ie humanity, how can violence be controlled?
I’m saddened by those shallow posts damning Charlie Kirk but reminds me that even you have the right of free speech, even if misdirected.
RIP Charlie Kirk
Steve says
I want to know when the conservative news will fire or suspend their employees for hate speech like the liberal news has.
Nothing will change if one side is allowed to spew hate while vilifying the other side for doing the same.
Jake from state farm says
To Ski Bum and all the other liberals trying to tear Charlie apart: Your endless vitriol, your toxic hate, and your constant weaponization of buzzwords like ‘fascist’ and ‘Nazi’ are the real problem here. Now that the assassin’s been caught, maybe it’ll finally dawn on you what your lies and poison do to weak minds. You twist Charlie’s words, just like you do with Trump, because you have no real argument to stand on. It’s pathetic. Your party is in ruins, and you’re too blinded by your own hate to even see it. You are the party of hate. You are the party of violence. The liberal media, including FL, is fully complicit in this—lockstep with your hatred. They twist words, spew lies, ignore the facts, and drown everyone in opinion. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. And Ski BUM – again.. no burning cities in Utah, No looting,,,, just prayer vigils.
Batman says
Remember Ed P, they are only opinions. What would be a greater misdirection of your feelings?
Words?… Or further violence?
And for whom, to what end?
Further violence would be in my opinion. Two, three… a hundred wrongs… do not make a right.
Sincerely Yours,
The Caped Crusader of Gotham.
Medal for Melissa says
I’d expect violence to increase with the hate rhetoric from the republican fascist . Insulting someone is all pedo leader has…hate got him elected! And he wasted no time getting the military to capture brown people on sight.
Charlie thought Martin Luther king jr was an “awful person” . But we won’t be hearing any more “conservative values” from him!
Ray W. says
The Independent just published an article about Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk.
Here are some bullet points from the article:
– In 2021, his mother posted to Facebook that Mr. Robinson had earned a “resident presidential scholarship to Utah State University (UVU). A university spokesperson said in a statement that Mr. Robinson “briefly attended Utah State University for one semester in 2021.”
– While both of his parents are registered Republicans, Mr. Robinson is registered as “unaffiliated.”
– Utah voter information on Mr. Robinson reveals that he had neither voted during the past two general elections nor responded to notices sent to him by a county clerk; he is listed as “inactive” as to voting status. “Roughly half of Utah voters are Republicans, while about a quarter are unaffiliated voters”, wrote the reporter.
– Mr. Robinson’s father is a deputy employed by Utah’s Washington County Sheriff’s Office; he also owns a kitchen countertop business. His wife is “a social worker who works at Intermountain Support Coordination as a contractor for the state of Utah. …”
– At the time of the shooting, Mr. Robinson was living with his family in Washington County, just as he had been living for years.
– According to Utah Governor Spencer Cox, a family member told him that Mr. Robinson “had become ‘more political in recent years.” He had begun to express “negative views of Kirk and told family members that he believed the Turning Point USA founder was ‘full of hate and spreading hate.'”
– At a recent family dinner, family members had talked of why “… they didn’t like [Kirk] and the viewpoints he had.” Mr. Robinson had brought up Kirk’s upcoming UVU event.
– From a roommate who showed Discord messages to investigators, Mr. Robinson had commented about the need to pick up the discarded rifle from its “drop point.”
– After the shooting, investigators located the rifle and found bullets in it “engraved” with messages, like “If you read this, you are gay lmao”, and “notices bulge OWO what’s this?”, and “Hey, fascist! Catch!” This last message contained an up arrow symbol, a right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
– Another bullet had the writing “oh bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao”, an apparent reference to the Italian song “Bella ciao” that is dedicated to those who fought against fascism in WWII. The author opined that the wording might also refer to the video game “Helldivers.”
– On the day of the shooting, Mr. Robinson arrived on the UVU campus at 11:52 a.m., less than 30 minutes before the shooting.
– Mr. Robinson’s father recognized his son from photos released by law enforcement officials and reached out to a minister affiliated with law enforcement who was a friend of the family in an effort to encourage his son to turn himself in. Apparently, Mr. Robinson “confessed” to a family member, but whether the person to whom he confessed is his father is not explained in the article. The minister called authorities.
Make of this what you will.
Me?
Pretty thin gruel for those FlaglerLive commenters on this thread who present as having already convinced themselves that they know the motive of the shooter and what it means for America.
Is it fair to argue that the only thing this thin gruel permits as an supportable conclusion is that the shooter did not like Charlie Kirk, and Kirk alone, for what Kirk, in his estimation, right or wrong, stood for?
If it is accurate to infer from this thin gruel that Mr. Robinson focused his disaffection, of whatever possible type it might be, solely to Mr. Kirk, how can anyone take that inference to a greater extreme?
It seems almost certain that more facts will become known as law enforcement releases witness statement, police records, and expert conclusions.
And it seems almost certain that many FlaglerLive commenters will continue to project their own prejudices and claims onto Mr. Robinson’s persona, prejudices and claims that fit their own concocted narratives.
A lot of crap is coming our way as “influencers” and politicians create lies and insinuate falsehoods for personal and professional gain. We are already seeing the initial wave.
Sherry says
Isn’t it about time to tone down the hate filled rhetoric?
Donald Trump blamed “the radical left” for the shooting and promised a crackdown, saying its “rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today and it must stop right now”. In his address from the Oval Office Trump also provided a list of incidents of what he termed “radical left political violence” while not including violence against Democrats.
Bob says
Talk about hate and vitriol. Many of u just have to look in the mirror
Robjr says
Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Atwp says
Am I’m glad he was murdered, no. Was I glad to hear his anti statements about different groups of people no. Am glad I will not hear his mouth against my and other people yes.
Sherry says
Meanwhile, this is what true patriots had to say about such terrible political violence:
Biden: “There is no place in our country for this kind of violence. It must end now. Jill and I are praying for Charlie Kirk’s family and loved ones.”
Obama: “We don’t yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie’s family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children.”
IMO, we must move beyond thoughts and prayers and face the facts that the proliferation of guns in our country “contribute” greatly to “ALL” such deaths. Unless and until permanent “FEDERAL GUN SAFETY” laws are passed and enforced we will continue to see senseless, tragic deaths increasing all around us.
In addition, we must elect leaders at all levels who will work tirelessly to “UNITE” our citizens instead of dividing us. Our current leaders are setting a terrible example for future generations.
Pogo says
@Mr. Tristam, Ray W
Ray W’s comment reminded me of the finale to Mr. Roberts, the film, when William Powell interrupts Ward Bond: “… no, post this…”
That’s all for me.
Kennan says
First and foremost: Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die. A 31 year-old conservative Christian, married with two kids.
Listen, I didn’t agree with most of the things that Charlie Kirk said politically. Again. This man did not deserve to get shot and killed.
I’m listening to a lot of hate and vitriol. Bile spewed from the mouths, of I’m sorry…… mostly right wing Trump loving, Maga, non-informed, jumping the gun at any chance to blame liberals, or the left for what just happened.
If you were a republican on the right, or a democrat on the left, you are entitled to how you may feel, but facts are facts.
This guy was a product of a white Mormon family that was, not just pro gun, but pro assault rifle, went to gun shows, Tyler Robinson dressed up as Trump last Halloween. The only reason I mention all of this is that pendant on the right have been going out of their way to create a narrative that quite simply doesn’t exist.
This will never happen, but Maga and the right oh Democrats and liberals and apology. So many of you folks like to talk about politicizing thanks! Look at you!
Look at Nancy Mace spewing hate before any of the facts were in.
This was a horrible thing that happened to this young man. Again, I didn’t agree with almost everything that came out of this kids mouth, but this is America and America is about your voice, and discourse. That is what it was built on. I’m listening to some of you. Idiots just go on and on and on and on and on about liberal this, liberal that, with the sophomoric understanding of a six-year-old.
Political violence of any kind is incredibly dangerous and unacceptable. I don’t see the world through a red or blue lens. I see it through a lens that I focus with facts. Knowing fully that I am not perfect, but these are the foundations that I use to come to my narratives.
MAGA: one of your own was killed. Killed by one of your own. I’m sorry it happened at all. The difference between me and you is that I am sad that it happened to anyone.MAGA: You are more concerned about, not just who it happened to, but if it had to happen to anyone why couldn’t have it happened to someone else? Someone that doesn’t agree with you someone that doesn’t kiss the ring. Someone that doesn’t toe the line.
This is what it’s come to people.
I don’t have any answers, but what I do know is that hating one another is not gonna end well.
FOR ANYONE.
Kennan says
One more thing.
The reason I can’t stand Maga, is because Maga doesn’t stand for anything except hate.
MAGA IS NOT RED OR BLUE .
MAGA IS BLUNT FORCE” MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY”!
MAGA IS HATE.
The dude says
The grandest of ironies is that it was perpetrated by one of their own… in a state full of their own.
I guess “We are Charlie” needs to change his name to “We are Tyler”???
Much more appropriate.
Samuel L. Bronkowitz says
Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s shooter, didn’t think that he was conservative enough. He was also a huge fan of white supremacist Nick Fuentes, who hated Charlie Kirk. The messages engraved on those cartridges were from the video games Helldivers 2 and Far Cry, and terminally online groyper pepe stuff – which he dressed up as for halloween one year.
So there you have it, yet another shooting by a young conservative radicalized white man. Completely unsurprising that dipshits nationwide would blame someone on the left for this because as usual, every accusation is a confession for them.
https://augustafreepress.com/news/charlie-kirk-murder-update-truth-comes-out-the-shooter-is-a-maga/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-memes-meaning
https://www.newsweek.com/groyper-charlie-kirk-shooting-nick-fuentes-2129114
Atwp says
Dennis you are the biggest fool, you are not a patriot.
Skibum says
To “We Are Charlie”, to “Jake”,
I continue to grieve for Kirk’s wife and also for his children, who will now have to live the rest of their lives with this haunting memory of her husband and their father without ever having him in their lives again.
But your way off, fantastical projections of who it turned out to be responsible for this horrible murder is no different than the felon president’s very public false proclamations that will undoubtably stoke more violence rather than tone down the rhetoric.
Please, stop listening to the dumb ass know nothings on fauxinfotainment nuze who have been feeding your minds with nonsense about so-called “trans” and “antifa” markings on the bullets found at the scene of this crime, who have sparked additional conspiracy theories about the “TRN” that was stamped on the bullets. TRN is the manufacture stamp of those bullets, a common bullet round from a Turkish bullet manufacturer, TURAN. Stop listening to the head idiot of the FBI, who came out early and reported on live TV that the FBI had the shooter in custody when in fact they had actually two innocent individuals who were released, cleared of any involvement, and subsequently started receiving death threats from maga extremists who wanted their heads, even thought both were exonerated. The idiot Cash Patel didn’t even know that “TRN” wasn’t some liberal or antifa markings, but a legitimate bullet manufacturer stamp on the bullets found at the scene… way to go, “preeminent” FBI morons!!!
It is just EMBARRASING!
Jake… yes, no burning cities in Utah, no looting, just prayer vigils… and one wayward, born and bred Mormon boy with a gun and a deadly desire, who is from a conservative, Trump supporting family. Someone from his own family, thankfully, turned him in. What? No liberal maga hating protester? No antifa provocateur? No undocumented alien “rapist” or “murderer” who scurried across the border to commit the dreaded violence on America that our felon president talks about almost daily to rile up his base? NOPE, just a Mormon boy gone bad, who may have psychological issues.
Then the felon president stands in front of the assembled press outside the WH and one journalist asks him how he is holding up after this political assassination. His response, recorded on camera for the entire world to watch is SHOCKING but true to form for the pea brain prez who couldn’t care less for Americans, let alone his supposed close friend Charlie Kirk. He says, oh I’m fine, by the way, look over there at all the trucks and they are working on the beautiful ballroom we are building to add on to the WH.
WHAT THE ACTUAL F%#)?!?!?! Just one more reminder, for those of you maga nitwits who need such a thing, of how unsympathetic, callous and unfit the current occupier of the WH really is!
Jake from state farm says
Ski bum… really, that’s your best swing? Cities can go up in flames because a career felon—drug dealer, armed robber, high as a kite—gets taken out by a bad cop, and somehow he ends up with a statue. That’s the hill you want to plant your flag on? And then you waltz in here clutching your pearls like you’ve never once called conservatives Nazis, fascists, or worse. Please. That kind of name-calling is practically a full-time sport on FL, and you sit silent every time it happens.
But sure, ride in on your moral high horse, pretending your “Best Biden Ever” fantasy hasn’t already been an epic disaster. We both know no matter what Trump says—or doesn’t say—it’ll never measure up to your inflated “standards.” Meanwhile, your side isn’t about policy, ideas, or even basic sanity anymore—it’s about hate, division, and clinging to whatever scraps are left of a party that’s looking more lost than Hunter Biden at a drug test.
Turning Point has already lit the fuse for the midterms, and you might want to start prepping for the fallout. Because if your big play for 2028 is Gavin “Hair Gel” Newsom, then buckle up—you’re in for a long, ugly adjustment. Maybe take a page out of Ellen and Rosie’s bath-time escape plan, because reality is coming, and it’s not going to be kind.
Ray W. says
Mediaite is reporting on a really strange twist of events.
Apparently, a Democratic strategist, Mike Nellis, called out Laura Loomer on her pre-murder criticisms of Charlie Kirk, criticisms of Mr. Kirk that included her calling him a “fascist.” Nick Fuentes had joined in with the criticism, calling Mr. Kirk a fascist, too.
After the murder, Ms. Loomer then verbally attacked Mr. Nellis, claiming that Nellis belonged to the people “who got Charlie Kirk assassinated.” Mr. Nellis had posted to social media just before the murder of Mr. Kirk:
“My response to Trump as a proud resident of Chicago: Go fuck yourself. Stay the hell out of our city, you fascist.”
Ms. Loomer went on to comment to Mr. Nellis that “You and your son are going to hell.”
Make of this what you will.
Me?
I admit that I cannot make sense of all of this.
Is it true that Charlie Kirk had called out President Trump over some policy choice or some political comment? I am aware that Mr. Kirk had said during a Megyn Kelly interview that the Iran bombing mission had divided MAGA loyalists and that the division had exposed a fault line in the movement, but that is not necessarily him opposing President Trump.
Did Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes publicly attack Charlie Kirk on social media in the days before his murder, including an attack relying on the term “fascist” to describe him?
Is it true that Laura Loomer, after the murder, tried to shift the narrative to blaming Democrats for calling Charlie Kirk a “fascist?” And that when called out for her shift in position by Mr. Nellis, Ms. Loomer told him that he and his son were going to hell?
Ray W. says
And, Mediaite is reporting that Nick Fuentes told his followers, aka “groypers”, that “if they turn to violence in the wake of the killing of Charlie Kirk, he will ‘disavow’ and ‘disown’ them”, saying:
“This is a very delicate situation. This is a very delicate situation. I fear that this has set off a chain reaction. I pray to God there is no further violence. I pray to God that nobody else is hurt as a result of this. I hope that it stops here. It should stop here. To all of my followers: if you take up arms, I disavow you. I disown you in the strongest terms.”
The Mediaite reporter wrote of a series of past infiltrations of Kirk rallies by Fuentes’ “groyper army” to troll speakers and try to turn rally attendees to a more extreme, “white nationalist” version of conservatism.
According to the reporter, earlier in the year, Mr. Fuentes had declared to his followers that, after Mr. Kirk had engaged in a campaign against Martin Luther King, Jr.:
“Charlie Kirk, as we know, has become a white supremacist. And that’s a huge victory. But he remains a, he remains a Jew lover. … He remains a Jew lover. And that, I don’t use language like that, you know, but he is an Israel shill.”
Make of this what you will.
Me?
I still can’t make heads or tails of this movement. What chain reaction does Mr. Fuentes fear so much? Why does he fear this chain reaction so much? How has the situation suddenly become so delicate? And why does Mr. Fuentes threaten disowning and disavowing of his groypers?
Maybe it’s true that two people can look out through different windows in the same building and see two completely different things. Is it possible that there is such reckless hate out there?
Steve says
Never knew who he was until he got shot.
MM says
Chalie Kirk was an evil man. He spread conspiracies, hate and fear with his National Supremacist lies and propaganda. The people of Palm Coast that are praising him, frighten me to say the least! How can any human accept his disgraceful rhetoric about blacks, LGBTQ, and anyone who doesn’t worship Trump…it’s sickening to hear his podcast and listen to his lies and shameful words at his rallys and to make it worse he targeted young people to destroy their minds with propaganda, just as Hitler did. I have no sorrow for losing this very sick, anti-American terrorist, because THAT is what it really boils down to.
Skibum says
True to form, Jake and other right wingers who fashion themselves as white supremist apologists continue to look the other way when presented with facts, when the truth stares them in the face. They jig to one side, jag to the other, try to point in random directions, anywhere but at the facts clearly right in front of them. They are learning the attributes of their dear leader, who also never acknowledges the truth, has a long history of making stuff up, never apologizes when proved wrong, and believes the worst thing he could ever do would be to look weak.
I feel like Jack Nicholson’s character in “A Few Good Men”, wanting to scream “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!”
It would do no good, so instead I will just move on with my life and try to have a pleasant day.
Sherry says
OK. . . WHY? WHY? WHY? Do Fox talking heads like brian kilmeade still have their jobs after saying that homeless people should be killed, but many, many people have been fired for essentially pointing out that when you live by the sword you die by the sword when it comes to charlie kirk?
Take a moment to read this and then tell me why brian kilmeade wasn’t fired and why the other two Fox talking heads weren’t suspended without pay:
HuffPost
‘Just Kill ‘Em’: Fox Host Makes Shocking Comment On Homeless People
Hilary Hanson
Sat, 13 September 2025 at 10:17 am GMT-7
“Fox and Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade suggested this week that homeless people suffering from mental health issues who refuse help should simply be killed.
Kilmeade and fellow co-hosts Ainsley Earhardt and Lawrence Jones were discussing the fatal stabbing of Iryna Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee whose grisly killing on a North Carolina train was caught on surveillance video.
The trio argued that the suspect, who had a litany of previous arrests and had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, should have been taken off the streets long ago. The conversation then shifted to a more general discussion of homelessness and the mental health crisis in the United States.
“This is happening all across the country, and it’s not a money issue,” said Jones, adding that “a lot” of homeless people “don’t want” to get necessary help.
“You can’t give ’em a choice,” Jones went on. “Either you take the resources that we’re going to give you, or you decide that you gotta be locked up in jail. That’s the way it has to be now.”
That’s when Kilmeade floated a more extreme idea.
“Or uh, involuntary lethal injection. Or something,” he said. “Just kill ’em.”
The other two hosts barely react to his remark before continuing their discussion.
Sherry says
Our flags should not be lowered to half mast for trumps’ friends. . . such an act is extremely divisive. . . and continues to drive home the message that trump is a dictator.
Skibum says
Hi Sherry. For me at least, the simple answer to your question above comes down to corporate ethics, or lack thereof. There are good companies to work for, many just so so, and then you have those at the very bottom of the ethical standards ladder.
Murdock fostered a culture of anything goes, the more sensationalism the better (for ratings, of course!), no holds barred media. That culture lasted for many years, until several hundreds of dollars in accountability from lawsuits put somewhat of a damper on that network. During one of the network’s lawsuits, one of their personalities was being questioned about the outright dishonesty and lies spouting forth from the network’s talking heads, and his answer was illuminating. He said the network should not be held responsible for any anchor’s lies because they don’t give out news, it is just “entertainment”. So, since then, I have always referred to that unethical, dishonest network as “fauxinfotainment nuze” for their admitted, not real news, just entertainment defense strategy that failed, still costing Murdock a huge chunk of money in the end.
When other news networks are adhering to much higher journalistic standards and ethical integrity by holding their on-air people to account for misdeeds, and then fauxinfotainment nuze continues NOT to do the same, people have a choice. I choose integrity and honesty, even if they don’t always get it exactly right, over outright lies, sensationalism, outright extremist maga bias on full display each and every day, and a very high amount of unethical behavior by those who call themselves “professionals”.
And I am constantly switching to various news sources to double check and verify news stories. When multiple news sources on TV as well as through the internet are saying the same or very similar things about a certain topic, and then… here we go again with fauxinfotainment nuze’s completely different, “alternate facts” BS, it becomes very easy to ascertain which sources can be trusted and where to go if you are merely wanting “entertainment”.
Skibum says
Correction, I meant to say “several hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars” in my comment above to Sherry
We are Charlie says
Skibum your comment didn’t age well. We were 100% correct. Radicalized online by extreme leftist ideology. Maybe now that CNN is finally getting around to realizing they can no longer hide all of these facts, you will too. It is funny/sad to watch people on the left still trying to twist all of the facts into something that fits their narrative, but this is what they always do.
Charlie was not a white supremacist, which is why so many PoC adored him. He wasn’t a homophobe, which is why so many gay people loved him. We can call out and condemn the extremism on our side. White supremacists, alt-right people, absolute condemnation. This was not Charlie, regardless of the twisted facts and lies you read online. Can you do the same for the violent demonizing rhetoric and calls to violence from your Democratic leaders? Can you do the same for the extreme leftists calling themselves progressives taking over your party and continually calling for violence?
I do solidly agree that there is a demographic that “CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!”
What gives me hope is seeing all of the young content creators with millions of subscribers – many of which are PoC or LGBT people – leaving the left and helping others to do the same. Charlie’s voice is louder than ever, and boy is he firing people up in a very positive way.
We're not all Charlie says
… Charlie was Charlie… and you are you, whoever you are.
Please remember folks, you’re speaking for yourselves.
Sherry says
Thank you yet again Skibum!
I couldn’t agree with you more that Murdoch’s media empire, even beyond Fox, is the core “indoctrinator” of the hate filled radicalized far right. Research into Rupert Murdoch will tell you that Fox’s motivation for their 24/7 peddling of propaganda/conspiracy theories/lies/disinformation/misinformation goes well beyond the profit motive you mentioned. Murdoch’s far right passion from the very beginning was to build a media empire so powerful that he could change the course of political history worldwide. Unfortunately for us all, his dream is being realized.
Skibum says
To “We Are Charlie”… hell no, NOT me!
Sorry, but you LIE when you spread falsehoods about Charlie Kirk, like “He wasn’t a homophobe, which is why so many gay people loved him.” Total and complete BS!!! He built his “brand” and made millions of dollars by demonizing LGBT people over the course of his growing popularity within the white national movement. Don’t take my word for it… care to take a peek at the link below and see for yourself some of the despicable things Kirk has said about LGBT people?
https://www.advocate.com/politics/charlie-kirk-anti-lgbtq-quotes#rebelltitem2
Stoning to death gay people, because he points to a verse in the Old Testament as some idiotic, murderous allowable justification? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Trans people are to blame for inflation? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Hate crime convictions of haters who committed actual crimes against gay people should have their criminal convictions overturned? Yes, that’s Charlie!
“We” should have just taken care of trans people like they did back in the good ‘ole days? Yes, that’s fascist, mafioso type “we’re gonna make you a deal you cannot refuse” permanent solution Charlie!
Doctors who give medical treatment to trans people should be brought in front of a “Nuremberg-style trial”? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Trans people are a “social contagion”? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Today’s society “panders to the LGBT+ community” and gay people are the “alphabet mafia”? Yes, that’s Charlie!
The “peaceful” Jan. 6 rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol should have just had gay sex in the building… they would have all got lighter sentences? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Trans people are “pure evil”? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Blaming mass shootings on the “trans medical industry”? Yes, that’s Charlie!
Wow… so much LOVE, huh, Charlie lovers? So much tolerance, no judgement there, right, Charlie lovers? Can you see why gay people are all clamoring to defend Charlie, why LGBT people just love him to death? Oops. sorry, bad pun. I didn’t mean to imply that anyone should have committed any act of violence against him, but his absolute HATRED of gay people, particularly anyone who identifies as trans, might really, really upset an entire segment of our society.
Charlie Kirk alone was responsible for his OWN hateful rhetoric, and it is not my fault, nor the fault of gay or trans people in general for his death!
Sherry says
Thank you Skibum and Samuel! Everyone should be “thoroughly” educated about the rhetoric of Charlie Kirk before forming an opinion about him one way or the other.
We are Charlie says
Check out Amir Odom on YouTube, a young gay black man. Recent 1 hour video explaining how literally everything you just said is a complete and total LIE with RECEIPTS! You are the reason we are devolving into civil war. You don’t even take the time to actually see what he was saying about anything! Even the stoning thing was completely debunked. He was using that as an example of how people cherry-pick bible verses and was speaking out AGAINST THAT!!!!!!
It makes us so angry that you people can be so dishonest, that we don’t even want to condemn the militant side on the right anymore, The leftists are calling for our death openly on YouTube, Twitch, and X. Watch anything! Watch the disgusting lies on Piers Morgan’s show from people like Destiny, or Hasan. To those who actually know the truth, you look like an evil fool. But keep calling us evil, that’s really helpful.
It’s just sad that literally everything you just said can be easily disproved if you spent even 30 minutes to review the authenticity of what you are saying. It’s disgusting, sad, and you are only leading us to more violence. And many on the more militant side are no longer going to be peaceful, and that’s terrifying. Be better dude. Do your due diligence. Question everything, from the left or the right. Don’t believe the memes and lies like some fool.
Or don’t, doesn’t matter anymore. But sadly this is just getting started, and without a doubt people like you are fanning the flames by being so dishonest. You have millions upon millions of people who aren’t going to take it anymore, but it sounds like that’s exactly what you want.
M. M. says
I am surprised at some media’s take on this evil man. I was lucky enough to have never heard of him. However it seems maybe Charlie Kirk’s great performances, lies and propaganda spread further than we would like to think. He was anything but a good Christian, and we know that because he spread hate for everyone that didn’t look like him, speak his language or have is dangerous beliefs. As a woman he was most offensive and stooped so low as to call us brood mares! Is that how our young women of today want to think of themselves? How about his 3Ms…. As he so rudely calls his view of our lives, marriage, mating, mortgage. Wow . And that’s just the tip of his radical, racist, chauvinist, bigoted, right wing beliefs.