The Flagler County school district’s plan to lease the old courthouse in Bunnell to shift half a dozen programs there would cost $632,000 in up-front renovations and $202,000 a year in rent and utilities, according to a plan submitted to the School Board Tuesday. The lease would likely be for 10 years. The School Board is reluctant to buy the building, though “all options are on the table,” Dave Freeman, the district’s operations director, said.
The district wants to lease the courthouse to free up 10 classrooms in existing schools by shifting several specialized programs there–Rise Up, the alternative school now using space at Flagler Palm Coast High School, the iFlagler administration for the district’s virtual school, some federal and job programs, Step Up, a program for adults with disabilities, and storage for the Education Foundation, the district’s non-profit arm. The programs would all shift to the courthouse between September 2024 and January 2025.
The Flagler County Historical Society had plans of its own for the old courthouse, plans that were under way when the district’s announcement that it wanted to lease the building upended the society’s momentum. The society recalibrated down to a proposal to use just seven rooms on the first floor portion of the old courthouse as museum and storage space.
The society’s president, Ed Siarkowicz, and James Fiske, a society board members, presented the plan to the board on Tuesday, to great enthusiasm from Board members Colleen Conklin and Cheryl Massaro. Will Furry, the board chair, was more tepid, and Superintendent LaShakia Moore was cautious.
The School Board on Tuesday directed the superintendent to start negotiating both with county government, which owns the building, on a lease, and with the historical society on possible inclusion in the district’s takeover of the building.
“I’m thrilled that we’re going to be utilizing it because it is a historical building, it’s got so much history, just as the school district utilizing it, and making sure it’s maintained by a county entity,” Conklin said. “I cannot imagine that we can’t carve out some space to be, again, a good community partner.” She sees it as part of the district’s educational mission. She also thinks the district upended the society’s plans by popping into the discussions about using the courthouse while the society had already been doing that with the county. “So I kind of feel a little, not that we are responsible to have a partnership, but I think in being good partners, that is the responsible thing to do.”
“I think it’s a bit ambitious at this moment, personally, based on some of the other information I’ve already seen,” Furry said, “but we have to find a balance out of the gate,” with some of the society’s ideas perhaps phased in over time. “Maybe we can even provide some of the vault space to store some of their historical documents for protection and also maybe free up space within the buildings they have right now across the street as part of the conversation, because I’m looking at this plan here, and I’m not seeing a lot of extra space based on what you presented.”
The old courthouse currently has 11 classrooms, six offices, a large conference room and bathrooms on the first floor alone. The district would reconfigure that into seven classrooms and seven offices, preserving the conference room and adding a cafe. The second floor would be reconfigured into pretty much a mirror of the first, without the cafe. The third floor would have four classrooms and eight offices.
The district’s plan as currently configured makes no room for the Historical Society.
The society operates out of the Holden House across the street from the old courthouse, where it’s been since its emergence in 1983, maintaining the largest archive in the county. The society and county government have a memorandum of understanding to keep that archiving going. Most of the funding is through grants, including from the county’s Tourist Development Council, memberships and private donations.
When the society learned that the Baptist school was leaving the courthouse, County Commissioner Leann Pennington asked society members to draft a proposal on what the society could do with the building’s 50,000 square feet. Society members explored Polk County’s restored courthouse, where a partnership with that county’s school district is in effect. Polk is partly the model for the society’s proposal, with ideas from the Lake County Courthouse Museum and other sources.
As the society was writing the plan, the school district announced its plans to possibly take over the building. “We were a little bit dismayed,” Siarkowicz said, since that could have meant sidelining the society. But the society repositioned its plan–from one looking at the entire building, to one looking at seven rooms at the front end of the old courthouse. One of those rooms is the massive, secure vault that used to house the county’s most precious documents in the Clerk of Court’s custody.
“We’ve written up a list of potential exhibits that could go over there that will continue augmenting our relationship with Flagler County,” Siarkowicz said, “and then also supporting what the school board’s position is, which is educating Flagler County students.” (See the Historical Society’s plan here.)
These include a timeline of the county’s history, a history of the old courthouse, a history of Bunnell and the county’s incorporation as a county in 1917, exhibits on agriculture, county schools, veterans, genealogy and women’s suffrage, the latter possibly a prelude to a separate museum themed around women’s voting rights. But if potentially, we would be sharing floor space, we would love to sit down and have conversations with each of you about how that might work. “If potentially we would be sharing floor space, we would love to sit down and have conversations with each of you about how that might work,” Siarkowicz. The society has long provided school students an opportunity for community service hours.
As for security, access to the seven rooms would be restricted. “We certainly don’t foresee what we plan on putting in those rooms as being an open door policy where the public can just walk in and out. I don’t think that’s a great idea at all,” Siarkowicz said.
Even so, Freeman, the district’s operations director, said, segregating those seven rooms would still reduce the building’s entry and exit points for district uses to a single point. “My concern is with security for the programs that we’re going to be putting in there,” Freeman said. The county and the school district have already talked about engineering the entrance for security and access.
“I’m not as worried about that, because I think there’s solutions to that and our schools have people coming in and out of them all the time,” Board member Colleen Conklin said. “So I think it’s a matter of just being creative and coming up with a solution.” She said it won’t be like a school, but more like a hub of multiple programs. Board member Cheryl Massaro was part of the trip to Polk County. She is fully supportive of the seven-room plan.
Before everyone’s dreams and ideals got the better of them, Moore brought the discussion back to earth by reasserting the district’s priority: “First and foremost, we have to look at what is the space, why did we begin this conversation,” she said, “and then within that, how can we be partners with the Historical Society in whatever way that we can be–while also making sure that we maintain the things that we need to maintain for it to be a site where our students are going to be.”
Moore wanted all decisions held off “until we sit down really as staff on the operational side to really look at a proposal that we could live with and really be able to bring out what are the pros and cons of that partnership,” Moore said, “so that you as a board can have something to confirm truly consider. So I think that a conversation is definitely needed between us and the Historical Society so that we can gauge a plan for what it could look like.”
Moore also added a caveat to Conklin’s sense of responsibility to the historical society, saying the district had no idea the society was in talks with the county when the district got interested in the building. “So I don’t want you guys to feel like the big bad school district is coming in and jumping ahead because they can pay them to rent the buildings. I want that to be just known,” Moore said. “The conversations have not been official or sitting down in any level of negotiation, but they are prepared to do that, when we are prepared to sit down and have those conversations.”
Shifting the various district programs to the old courthouse would allow the district to remove some of its older portables on some campuses.
In-person board members included only Massaro, Furry and Conklin. Christy Chong was absent. Sally Hunt, who has mostly checked out of the district, participated by phone from an undisclosed location (she bought a house in Georgia), as she has for most recent workshops. The board attorney attended by video.
To the society, a partnership would dovetail with the district’s mission. “All of us in the Historical Society,” Siarkowicz said, “are focused on telling the life stories, the survival skills of the people that made it here, and turning that into educational experiences for children, and their parents and their families so that they can frame their vision of their present and their future. That’s our whole goal with the educational process of historical society.
Tim says
Just give the school board that building. It will save the county money in the long run. It’s funny , you’re going to get $202,000 a year in rent and your utilities are over $100,000 a year . Just let them have that place
Watched it says
I think it’s pretty reckless of Conklin to sit up there and say she’s not concerned about security just to push her own agenda at the end of the day it’s a school campus just like FTC just like any other program …. There are students and educational staff in that building to include a principal , assistant principal and according to the brief there’s an actual
School resource officer !! So how in the hell can she say it’s a hub not a school …. Regardless of what type of students that are in that building it’s a school environment where they attend class do school work and take state mandated testing … she should know better …. In furrys argument t they can come back at a later date and look at how they can help but right now the priority is to the district and the money they are spending … Massaro and Conklin are on their way out and it’s clear they have been the ones feeding into the ambitions ideas of the historical society … you can tell from watching the workshop she was just throwing stuff in the air to prove her point … ignoring the safety and security of the school ….i think the vote would go 3-2 not in favor …. She should really be shamed of herself and stay in her lane when this is what Dave freemen specializes in .
FlaglerLive says
The commenter is mischaracterizing Conklin’s comments. As the reporting clearly indicates, she did not say she was not worried about security, but that any concerns can be addressed as they are in schools.
Hater says
You are ignorant if you truly watched the meeting and took that away from the discussion. Conklin did NOT say she doesn’t care about the safety and security of the building or the folks in it but that there could be a creative solution, just as they have had to do in the schools. The building is going to be secure and there will be an SRO on site. Listen up and clean your ears out fool.
Nephew Of Uncle Sam says
The County should just donate the building to the School District and Historical Society with a caveat of the Historical Society will never lose their rooms and the School District could never sell the property. If the property were to become surplus later, with no occupants, the property would go to another government body even back to the County if need be.
Now for the MIA Board Member: “Sally Hunt, who has mostly checked out of the district, participated by phone from an undisclosed location (she bought a house in Georgia), …”
If she is indeed living full time in Georgia that should be her disqualification from the Board, if not let her prove it. The Board has a tough but easy mission right now, remove her or demand she attend ALL meetings in person.
Celia Pugliese says
I agree with Nephew of Uncle Sam. The county should donate the old historical court house to the schools with the caveat that will always hold the Flagler Historical Society in it . Then the schools also should donate the Belle Terre Racket and Swim Club to the city of Palm Coast to be run by the city Parks and Recreations with the caveat that the 1078 membership will be brought back approved the use and any increased membership as well. That pool is needed as was always shared with the membership in the community! We need that pool reopened to Palmcoasters not only to students. To achieve this is why we need Mr Barrs and Mrs Ramirez in the School Board and in our City of Palm Coast council Ray Stevens an Jeffery Seib, that has a daughter with special needs that will loose also the use of that pool end of July. Also for the positive conversations (regarding this pool use and the School Resources Officers to remain), among school, city and county we need Kim Carey, Pam Richardson and Fernando Melendez in the county seats. Please get to know your candidates and get out and vote!
Pogo says
@The future home of a Trump Presidential Library and bait shop.
… on Trump Avenue. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
exasperated says
To get the best deal from the County, the School Board should get Captain’s BBQ to negotiate the lease.
JimboXYZ says
Or Bunnell, FL finally gets a mall for it’s population of 3,500 ? What would it cost to flatten it to dirt & sell the land for repurposing ? They want to build a new city for an additional 15K population that has never relocated to Bunnell, ever in it’s history.