There’s litter in Palm Coast. In that regard, the city is not unlike every city, every town, every county in the nation or the planet. The question, which the Palm Coast City Council or its administration did not answer during a discussion on littering Tuesday, is whether the problem is particularly significant now, whether it’s growing, whether it warrants increasing fines, and whether it warrants redirecting sheriff’s deputies’ attention from crime-fighting to trash patrols and steeper enforcement.
At least one council member–Ed Danko–wants to see that stepped up enforcement. But is he conjuring an issue out of proportion with a problem even he could not define?
The unanswered questions left Mayor David Alfin perplexed, especially if there’s discussion of tasking cops with stepping up their trash policing. He wasn’t aware, when he spoke, that over the past year, the Flagler County Sheriff’s Office had issued one–just one–charge or citation for illegal dumping, a Sheriff’s spokesperson said today: not an indication of a colossal problem, or a particularly enforceable one.
“The only thing I’m challenged with, and I would ask that we invite a representative from the sheriff’s office at the next possible meeting to confirm their ability to assist us,” Alfin said, “but I’m not clear on the metrics we would use to determine that we have made progress. For me anyway, I’m sorry to say that it’s somewhat subjective. I drive by an area on one day and it looks terrible and I may not look at it the next day. I don’t understand what kind of a metric we can use. So I’d like to give that some thought. Because if we are going to task the Sheriff’s Department as we’re negotiating down the road, how do we determine the level of service? What does that really mean if we could ‘put some teeth to that,’ so we know what we’re getting. And they know what our expectations are.”
Danko is looking to step up littering enforcement in the city. He cited the 10 additional deputies the city just funded in its new budget as one of the ways to get that additional enforcement.
“I think the way to really help put a dent in this problem is strict enforcement,” Danko said. Like the administrative presentation that preceded his comments, Danko did not offer up measurable evidence of the problem he was referring to. “This comes from my years of living in the great state of Texas, where we had a campaign called Don’t Mess With Texas, and that went towards the pride that Texans feel about their state, and it really had a major impact. You don’t see many people throwing something out of a car in Texas, and if they do, they got a real big chance if the state trooper is going to pull them over, a Texas Ranger, and write them a steep $1,000 ticket or $500 ticket whatever it is now.”
Littering of up to 5 pounds in Texas can draw a fine of up to $500. (The city’s presentation included a somewhat misleading image of a street sign in Texas threatening a fine of up to $1,000.) In Florida, the fine for littering up to 15 pounds is $150. Littering more than 15 pounds in Florida is a first-degree misdemeanor that carries a $1,000 fine or up to a year in jail. In Texas, littering more than 5 pouds is a Class B misdemeanor, with a fine of up to $2,000 and 180 days in jail.
Florida is harsher on big dumpers: anything more than 500 pounds draws a third-degree felony, which carries a fine of up to $5,000 and five years in prison. Texas is kinder in that class: up to a $4,000 fine and a year in jail, and it remains a misdemeanor. But it’s the “Don’t Mess With Texas” campaign, not the fines, that’s credited with curbing the state’s littering problem.
“I’m looking for what I proposed earlier in the year, a campaign that makes people in Palm Coast feel proud about our city,” Danko said, “and it’s not going to be don’t mess with Palm Coast, That’s a Texas thing it’s not going to work here, but I think we can come up with something. But we have to put some teeth into it.” He threw out as an example “Keep palm Coast Beautiful,” and fines of up to $1,000.
There is no evidence that city residents don’t feel proud of their city. There is evidence, based on the last National Community Survey of Palm Coast residents, that 82 percent rate their quality of life as excellent or good, 76 percent consider the city’s image positively, and 89 percent give its overall appearance an excellent or good rating. The numbers improved this year.
The city may not levy fines anywhere but on its own properties such as public parks, pathways and city buildings and their surroundings–ironically, the areas generally kept cleanest, because city staff is frequently crisscrossing them. City Attorney Bill Reischmann said the city council could enact higher fines for those zones, by ordinance, and impose them through the code enforcement department. But in other rights of way, state law, and state fines, prevail. (The law requires that a third of the $150 fine goes to the state’s Solid Waste Management Trust Fund, which issues grants.) The money Palm Coast would raise through its fines would go to its general fund–assuming it would raise anything much.
“Education enforcement I would respectfully suggest are the issues here,” Reischmann said, suggesting signage that highlight the fines and the criminality of littering. But he, too, was perplexed about the starting point of a discussion with an undefined problem. “I would respectfully suggest that probably the most productive analysis of this is to determine what is the main problem that you’re having, because there’s different types of littering and dumping, and how you deal with them from an enforcement standpoint is different. It is very different to enforce someone throwing a McDonald’s bag out of a car. It’s much more difficult.” The only way that can be enforced is by cops. Code enforcement officers don;t have that authority. Even if they had the authority, Reischmann said, “is that a good idea?”
Reischmann said code enforcement, to the extent that its officers are enforcing rules they can, is doing so effectively. “What I’m hearing from the public and what I’m hearing during these presentations is that what the problem is the most difficult one to fix, and that is when you just have people that are driving along,” throwing things out the window, “and we don’t have that many sheriff’s officers out there to follow, to be everywhere, where people just throw stuff out of the cars. That one, I would respectfully suggest, would be some education.”
Danko was fine with an education approach but again returned to putting a $1,000 fine on signs, and to amend the city’s code to increase its fines. Danko did not seem to understand the attorney’s cautions–both about applying the fine beyond Palm Coast’s code enforcement jurisdictions, or calibrating the fine to a given offense. The Sheriff’s Office may not enforce a $1,000 fine that would contradict state law, on right of ways, along city streets and so on. The fine would only apply where the city has jurisdiction, for the same reason that the city could not–for example–apply a stricter or harsher penalty on drunk drivers than state law provides for, or fine an individual over a nuisance issue more than what state law allows.
Alfin was interested in exploring those issues further, including potentially changing the city’s littering ordinance–and hearing from the public about those changes. But Danko’s push echoed previous, not entirely thought-out initiatives by council members looking to have an impact on visible but not necessarily critical issues, as when a council wanted to do something about panhandling a few years ago, an anxiety that quickly fizzled, or when the council panicked about “bath salts” sold in stores, or code enforcement took on door-to-door salespeople. The initiatives tend to draw a flash of attention then fade, if at some cost in time and, at times, money.
Palm Coast Development Director Jason DeLorenzo had begun the presentation with the closest thing to solid evidence, though it was general, and applying to national estimates, not to Palm Coast: There are “more than 2,000 pieces of litter per mile,” led by cigarette butts and, in the past year, millions of pieces of personal protective equipment such as masks. Debris flows out of trucks, people discard trash out their car windows, and there’s still illegal dumping.
There were more city-related facts, but with little context or relative numbers to make the problem, such as it is, more quantifiable along the lines Alfin was looking for.
Public Works Director Matt Mancill said all his employees take it on themselves to pick up litter when they see it “regardless of their primary duties.” They have litter containers on most of the machines they use all day, including mowers, which have a grabber attached to each machine. “They attempt to pick it up instead of grinding it under the machine because that obviously makes it a little more difficult to pick up after the fact,” he said. The department has one full-time employee dedicated to litter control. He picks up an average of 45 bags a week along the right of way, and 47 bags along the sidewalks and pathways. That adds up to 1,380 pounds a week.
But other public works employees assigned to other duties, such as mowing crews, incorporate litter pick-up in their runs. Nine employees pick up about two bags each per da–90 per week, or 1,350 pounds–with clusters around construction sites. The crews also see illegal dumping in neighborhoods, “debris that that might be put on an empty swale area from another lot or just out of the back of somebody’s vehicle,” Mancill said. “We tend to have a lot of random couches that tend to show up alongside of ways, other things like that.” One favored are for litter: U.S. 1, where a lot of things blow out of passing vehicles. The Public Works department keeps two 30-yard dumpsters that are emptied of garbage once a week. That’s 138,000 pounds a year, on average.
Groups are participating in its Adopt-a-Park program. The city also has adoption programs with its trails, shoreline, medians and roads. It has the annual Intracoastal clean-up, and the “Keep Palm Coast Clean Event.”
“To build awareness we would suggest that we have a branding contest or a naming contest for the annual event,” DeLorenzo said. “We would then turn that new brand into updated signage throughout the city, because we do have some old very old signage out there for littering. And of course we still would need to plan the event for the springtime.” It would have to be funded.
DeLorenzo began his presentation with a throwback to the famous–or infamous, depending on your perspective–“Crying Indian” ad that first aired on television on Earth Day in 1971: the “Indian” rowing through litter in a river suspiciously like Cleveland’s then-fire-prone Cuyahoga with its banks of polluting factories. As the “Indian” stands along a busy highway, a passing somebody throws a bag of garbage at his feet. The “Indian” then turns to the camera as it pans to his eye, and a tear drop. It was an extremely effective and memorable ad in its day, and the organization that launched it–Keep America Beautiful–is still campaigning. But the actor known as Iron Eyes Cody who played the “Indian” was in fact (like DeLorenzo) of Italian descent, born Espera Oscar de Corti. The ad is among the more prominent cases of cultural appropriation. And it left silent the responsibility of big, industrial polluters.
Why not develop a cheap and cheerful campaign to educate school age children? They, in return, will develop good habits and police their parents. What’s the old saying about teaching an old dog new tricks?
That sounds like a great idea to weave into the school curriculum, it’s just sad that adults have to be taken by the hand to learn how to throw trash where it belongs. In the trash can. I live in Plant City and the trash is getting so much worse here. We have a lot of people moving here now. Along I-4 is another problem. It’s statewide due to continuous building, countless people moving here, more than ever.
James M. Mejuto says
Once again, danko goes off the deep end.
I along with many wish he would return to the ‘great state of texas.’
$150-$1000 . . . really? Where are many people going to get that cash? If a law is not enforceable then
it shouldn’t be a law!
What I suggest: Demand litterers work community service outside their job so that innocent families are not
penalized. Also, re-education seminars on this important subject should be required.
danko . . . please go back to your ‘great state of texas.’
James M. Mejuto
Agree that litterers ought to be sentenced to community service with the requirement that they pick up litter as their service. Do inmates do this periodically in Palm Coast as part of a work detail? Law enforcement generally needed for dealing with more serious offenses but if they witness it and do pursue it that might help.
I agree with you. If Texas is so great, why did you leave there and come here and tell us how great it was where you were? Just leave (please) here and go there. It would certainly make a lot of people here very happy.
Just a thought.
Not defending Danko here, but your reference to a $1,000 fine being too much for people to afford needs to be addressed. Yes, the suggested $1,000 is a rather large sum for most to cough up but, are fines not to penalize and hurt the pocketbook? If not, they are just a slap on the wrist and have no meaning to the offender. Just look how many habitual offenders fill our courts now. I mean when you can plead down vehicular manslaughter while under the influence to a misdemeanor for time served, what is to stop me from driving drunk one more time?
Perhaps a system which would allow the offender to “work off” the fine through community service at say $10 per hour? That way those who can pay will and those that cannot have an option. Both would still provide a substantial penalty for such a heinous crime . . .
As for Danko, Texas probably does not want him back. But there is a beautiful island off the coast of French Guiana that would suit him and his ilk quite well – Île Du Diable. I am sure that he would find it to his liking.
I agree 100%
Well except the last paragraph.
It’s no wonder they need to hire more deputies.
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The dude says
Sounds like a mandate to me…
A mandate trying to take away my freedoms.
Percy's mother says
Shockingly / surprisingly I do not disagree with Councilman Danko.
As I drive around Palm Coast, my main thought is “this place looks like hell” (neighborhoods and public places).
Palm Coast used to be such a nice place. Now Palm Coast has become a low-class town where mainly low-class people come to make messes of their homes, yards, neighborhoods and public places.
I support Councilman Danko on this particular issue. I do not think Councilman has “gone off the deep end”. He has lived in a place (Texas) where people were asked to take pride in their surroundings. I do not think there is anything wrong with Councilman Danko asking for the citizens of Palm Coast to take pride in their public places and neighborhoods.
Actually, I’m pretty disgusted with what I’m seeing around town with people having NO pride in their surroundings.
To sum it up, I support Councilman Danko in this, his latest, endeavor.
The dude says
It’s my personal choice whether or not to throw that Taco Bell bag or those empty natty lite cans out the window.
This is America. Don’t be taking away my freedoms or I’ll rise up.
BILL NELSON says
Better remove your number plate because if I saw it done, I would be on the phone to the Police and report the sighting !
Common Sense isn’t common says
You’re wrong, Dude! Throwing trash out your window isn’t freedom, it’s disrespect of your surroundings and fellow citizens. Freedom isn’t free, dude, be respectful.
The dude says
Nope. I’m a republican now. I have a little autonomous zone of freedom around my periphery where I can do whatever the hell I want, regardless of how it might affect society and the environment around me.
That’s freedom baby!
I resent being called “low class”!
Don’t take it personally. She thinks her shit don’t stink.
Palm Coast is so worried about people keeping the clean clean and people’s property looking nice. WHICH I AGREE WITH…BUT how about the “garbage men” that dump half the garbage from a can and leave it on the ground? Or the garbage men that are to “lazy” to pick up even small piles of yard waste? People want to keep their yards nice too no less we pay for garbage service while bulk items sit at the curb for weeks at a time! I like to trim my trees and bushes 2 times a year fall and Spring and always get a notice no matter how neatly and small I make the piles they NOW want it bagged! Try putting branches in bags!! Do something that will help us keep what we own nice!! All the construction garbage everywhere! They throw their drink cups out the windows of their trucks down private streets!! Why doesn’t Code Enforcement take care of these problems?
Percy's mother says
“NOW (they) want yard waste bagged!”. Uh, “they” have wanted yard waste bagged for as long as I can remember. I’ve lived here a long time (meaning longer than 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 25 years, 30 years . . . ).
The city has always requested that yard waste be bagged, and I have followed that request for YEARS. What’s so difficult about FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS? What’s so difficult about BAGGING yard waste? Why does there always have to be a complaint about everything?
Is it so terribly difficult to bag some yard waste to make it easier for the “garbage men”?
“Try putting branches in bags!” Well, over the weekend into Tuesday of this week I filled four 45-gallon contractor bags full of . . . . BRANCHES!.!!! That’s after trimming 3 Japanese blueberries and a load of Ligustrum, . . . you know, trying to have pride in the appearance of my yard. Not difficult to do if you don’t mentally rebel against it.
What is so terribly difficult about following instructions???????? Does everything have to be an issue and a complaint for God’s sake?
Maybe raise the issue about having to put branches in bags with Councilman Danko. Maybe attend the next city council meeting and complain about having to put branches in BAGS.
All things being equal, try putting a 5″ diameter, 4 foot long branch in a bag. The attached link is from the current city website which clearly shows us all what is acceptable and not acceptable for yard waste pickup in our little town. https://www.palmcoastgov.com/trash/yardwaste
Please note that the second sentence of the page states; “Yard waste can be piled loosely in your yard next to the road, or placed in containers.” Later there are a few words saying that bagging does make it easier for Waste Pro. BUT, there is no requirement for bagging . . . Personal;y we use garbage cans to collect the magnolia pods – did you know that 475 pods will fit in a standard garbage can? Don’t ask.
First let me explain! I have lived in Palm Coast 20 years now and also lived in here in 1994 through 1998. I am 71 years old and live alone. Which means it requires me to find some one to trim the brushes for me.Which by the way are virburnum hedges. So if you know anything about those hedges, the branches will poke right through a bag! Yes, I am complaining about the garbage service! Seems the garbage men have gotten “very lazy” over the last 2 or so years. It is apparent they want to use the “claw” truck and have customers pay extra for the use of the truck. I guess that to off set the cost of the truck! I don’t even get the full use of my garbage payment as I usual only put garbage out about once every 2 weeks!! A little help for the elderly would be nice!! Sad to have to explain my issues when apparently some people can only dog other posters! Further large bulk items sit at people’s curbs for up 2 months at a time before they take them! Making the neighborhood trashy also. The construction dumpsters are allowed to over fill and sit in the swale adding to the decline look of the neighborhood!!
PS would love to voice my opinion at a counsel meeting! BUT from what has been seen at those meetings in the past is not something I care to be a part of!
Bill C says
Plastic garbage bags are not compostable and inhibit the proper composting of their contents. Better to use paper composting bags available at big box stores or leave loose in a can.
The Voice Of Reason says
The trash problem in Palm Coast, and it’s a BIG one, results from construction workers, contractors and delivery drivers eating their lunch on the side of Palm Coast streets and heaving their trash out the window before they leave. Slobs! The urine filled bottles are a nice touch too. Please, take your trash with you. Enforcement wouldn’t be that tough. Community service would be a good punishment. Picking up trash.
It ain’t right. At every main intersection there are scores of cigarette butts lying on the ground. Disgusting! Apparently smokers don’t think their butts are litter. I could see signs at major intersections warning that discarding trash out of car windows carries a $50 fine. Also, shouldn’t fast food businesses participate in the the cost of cleaning up the mess of Styrofoam cups and wrappers that have their logo on them and are strewn everywhere? They need to be good corporate partners. In addition, there is a distinction between littering and dumping. Go down any back road and you will see dumped there couches, refrigerators, landscaper refuse, tires, etc., even the dead ends on Old King’s Highway are full of this disgusting stuff. It is criminal. Who knows what kind of toxic waste is being dumped? A $1000 fine is not enough for these kinds of offences against the public interest.
Does trash include “… a campaign that makes people in Palm Coast feel proud about our city,” Danko said,” … removing and/or fining elected officials that are removing the pride of our city?
Not sure what the solution is here ? I see new homes being constructed and every lot that is cleared usually ends up with a stack of worn out tires, computers, scrap/junk bicycles/scooters and just about anything else you can think of that was dumped over the years & in the middle of the night into those heavily wooded lots. The problem is that so many residential areas lack the street lights in these heavily wooded & rural land tracts. Virtually all of that debris went & perhaps continues to go undetected, because the one’s dumping always do that activity in the middle of the day & night when residents are either at work or are sleeping. Toxic waste & other forms of dumping are activities that has to be a blatant manufacturing production operation by a corporation that is easily observable or it’s individuals & families that would need to be caught red handed on a dump and run (drive away). Not hard to imagine that the tires being dumped are done so to avoid the impact fees when a new set of tires replaces worn tires.
Gina Weiss says
Absolutely should be steeper fines for anyone caught littering, dumping garbage whatever you want to call it hit these slobs in their pockets and while we are on the topic I have seen dirty surgical mask thrown outside of supermarkets in the parking lots, outside of restaurants, and along the Flagler Beach boardwalk that get caught around the necks of birds and seagulls and plastic bags scattered near our waterways which is negatively impacting not only our environment but also our wildlife.
How about a test case of the need to enforce littering? I suggest Old Kings between PCP and SR 100. Waste Pro would have a full time job keeping up with the sumbag dampers. How about giving Staley 1,000 more Deputies, I’m sure he would support this effort.
Dennis Beauchamp says
It seems to me that most of the littering is done at night. Often large fast food bags and broken bottles on walking paths are encountered in the mornings. Unless the people who do this can be identified all these proposals are for naught.
Celia M Pugliese says
I totally agree with Councilman Danko this time. The increase of litter and dumping all around Palm Coast is unbearable.
The only way to resolve it is have code and law enforcement or citizens report Hotline to catch the violators red handed. We have the FL statute on litter and dumping but the issue is that “is not enforced”, same as No Truck Road in Florida Park Drive: Fla. Stat. §403.413
Noncriminal infraction for litter amounts not exceeding 15 pounds or 27 cubic feet and not for commercial gain. Punishable by a civil penalty of $100. The court may also require litter cleanup. First-degree misdemeanor for amounts greater than 15 pounds or 27 cubic feet, but not exceeding 500 pounds or 100 cubic feet in volume and not for commercial purposes. Punishable by imprisonment up to one year (§775.082) and/or fine up to $1,000 (§775.083). The violator will also be required to pick up litter or perform other community service.
For convictions involving littering from a motor vehicle, a penalty of three points will be recorded on the violator’s driver’s license. A 1.000 fine or forced community service picking up litter should be in place. Also a “Citizens Volunteer Litter Patrol” like in AZ that keeps the state beautiful and neat: https://litter.az.gov/
Let’s make everyone proud of our city by “trashing” the candidacy of Ed Danko!!
The dude says
Oh… so the little lawn troll Danko is now concerned about our shared environment and how our actions might adversely affect others?
Hire more people to pick up the litter
I agree that there is a lot of trash strewn about and it is disgusting. However, unless the person is actually seen doing it by a cop, there is no way a person could be charged because, if it was another resident reporting the incident it would be “he said she said”. Same situation with other infractions.As far as getting someone to pay the fine, forget it, they won’t. They used to fight tooth and nail about the red light cameras.
As far as expecting code enforcement to something, that is a big joke. They will do nothing unless they have the complainer’s name, address, etc and, again the person doing the infraction was not seen by a law officer doing it. I think if code enforcement acted upon complaints about trashy yards, and houses, and other violations without needing a complainer name, more people would call or email code enforement. Code enforcement claims there are too many petty and revenge claims, that’s why they want to know who’s complaining so as to ignore the chronic ones. Well, gee, if someone calls, there is caller id and if they email there is an IP address we all have so it could be traced to see who a chronic petty complainer is. JMO
I have owned a home in Palm Coast for more than 11 years, and have been coming here to visit family for nearly 30 years. In my opinion, this city is one of the cleanest cities. I have never seen any indications that Palm Coast has a significant littering problem. Where I came from before I retired, both the county sheriff as well as the state corrections department had inmate work crews and contracts with a number of the local jurisdictions to provide inmate labor cleaning up parks, highways, etc. Besides providing inexpensive inmate labor to complement city and county grounds workers who helped supervise the inmate work crews, it gives inmates an opportunity to do something useful rather than just sit in a jail cell all day, and citizens can see the results of their labor in public places. I think a program like that here in our area would be much more beneficial than simply trying to increase the fine for littering. After all, you actually have to CATCH someone littering in order to assess a fine, and unless there is a proposal to dedicate already limited law enforcement resources to this task, taking away personnel from other more pressing tasks, I don’t see where increasing the fine would make much of a difference.
Simple solution, have city workers pick up the trash when they see it. If the city workers fail to comply, or claim selective blindness, then issue work orders. A highly trained police officer is not the trash collector, nor should he be, he or she can radio in directly to Mr. Danko, and let him work his magic.
City workers are doing exactly that, as noted in the article.
The reference to this is to actual city property only, not the city as a whole.
Danko needs his head examined. I think the FCSO has other more important things to do other than doing trash patrol. How about having the men that go around on their little golf carts go patrol for trash criminals.
Stop wasting our taxpaying dollars are idiot issues.
Timothy Patrick Welch says
This problem will never be solved, it like poverty. We will always have poverty and as a consumer driven economy we will always have trash. Land owners should be responsible for maintaining their property (public or private). Lets not waste law enforcement resources when we the people can and should maintain our own property, and help our neighbors when required.
Can’t understand why a conservative would want to grow government and waste public resources.
David Schaefer says
Stanko go back to North Carolina please.
There’s some pretty dramatic people in the comments. They make it sound like Palm Coast looks like the Bronx back in the day. Palm Coast is probably the cleanest place I’ve ever seen. Yeah theres some people who litter, and its upsetting, but its not on a level where it needs to be a council topic of discussion. Theres more important issues to worry about.
Come on people these are growing pains. Do you all really think the cops will have time to write a ticket for littering when someone is being shot. Someone is breaking into a car. I dont think they have that time. I dont like the cops but let us be mature and realistic about the situation. That is too much to add to their plate in my opinion. Like one person said P.C. is clean. Side of the roads are mowed regularly. Not perfect but clean. I dont no the solution but let us keep it clean. Let us do our part. It is a together thing let us work together and keep PC clean.
Was it necessary to state you don’t like cops??
So are we turning Palm Coast into a gestapo with the FCSO as the SS for littering. What a waist of resources!
As Hmmm Says intimates you folks ain’t seen trash along the road. Our farm up north fronts about a half mile of a rural county road. Now this road is paved but aside from a couple of houses it is farm land. We and the other large property owners have found couches, beds, tv’s, refrigerators and the trash from meth labs on our property. These things don’t just blow out of the bed of a pickup truck. Although I did find one of those poly bed liners once, it was fairly new – bet that guy was confused.
But on the other hand, I do not appreciate seeing a cigarette butt or a fast food bag come flying out a car window on Belle Terre. The one that got me was a woman who stopped to ask my neighbor and me for directions, she pulled another few feet down the road and emptied her ashtray on the street. She must be one of those folks who think ‘first class’ is a seat on an airplane.
The cops in this town have it made unlike Daytona or Jacksonville. Let them enforce the littering law if they see it happen instead of hanging out at Denny’s hiding on Hargrove.
Dennis C Rathsam says
I to have had a problem with litter, since I live across the street to 3 vacant lots. I caught the guy, who cuts my neighbors grass, throwing emptey beer cans, and Wendy,s left overs on the groung. This kept up for weeks, finally I picked up 2 weeks worth of his litter, and when he went to the back of my neighbors lot I filled his cab with all the garbage…After he was done, and put his mowers away, he open his truck door and found smelly garbage all over the seats and dash board….Problem solved! no more ltter.
Timothy Patrick Welch says
I owned some commercial property and was out spraying weeds one day, when a car pulled in, and a lady dumped her full ashtray out her open door. She denied about what happened. As her teenage daughter and I cleaned up the mess I explained to the young girl that she did not have to live that way. Mom was not happy.
The dude says
The whiny little bitch Stanko is on the Facebook crying about this article…
What a wuss. How can the conned support small minded, small statured little thin skinned trolls like that?
If Stanko and the orange dumbass are examples of their “Alphas”, well… that’s just beyond sad and pathetic.