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Weather: Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Thursday Night: Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s.
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Today at a Glance:
Note: Flagler Beach City Hall is closed today due to water intrusion.
Drug Court convenes before Circuit Judge Dawn Nichols at 10 a.m. in Courtroom 401 at the Flagler County courthouse, Kim C. Hammond Justice Center 1769 E Moody Blvd, Bldg 1, Bunnell. Drug Court is open to the public. See the Drug Court handbook here and the participation agreement here.
Town of Marineland Commission Meeting, 6 p.m. in the main conference room at the GTMNERR Marineland, 9741 N Oceanshore Boulevard, St. Augustine. See the town’s website here. The commission is discussing the issue of the Ragga Surf Cafe’s pending eviction on state orders from the River to Sea Preserve in Marineland. See:
- Commissioner Pennington Assails County Administration Over Ragga Surf Fiasco: ‘Issues Didn’t Get Handled Properly’
- Ragga Surf Cafe Supporters Urge County Commission for Eviction Reprieve, But Hear Only Silence
- Ragga Surf Fiasco: How Flagler County Risked Losing River to Sea Preserve Over Botched Favor for a Private Business
Model Yacht Club Races at the Pond in Palm Coast’s Central Park, from noon to 2 p.m. in Central Park in Town Center, 975 Central Ave. Join Bill Wells, Bob Rupp and other members of the Palm Coast Model Yacht Club, watch them race or join the races with your own model yacht. No dues to join the club, which meets at the pond in Central Park every Thursday.
Story Time for Preschoolers at Flagler Beach Public Library, 11 to 11:30 a.m. at the library, 315 South Seventh Street, Flagler Beach. It’s where the wild things are: Hop on for stories and songs with Miss Doris.
Christmas Cabaret at Limelight Theatre, 11 Old Mission Ave, St. Augustine. 7:30 p.m. This Christmas Cabaret concert showcases our talent throughout Northeastern Florida for all to see, with performances of Modern Christmas songs.
Rotary’s Fantasy Lights Festival in Palm Coast’s Town Center: Nightly from 6 to 9 p.m. at Palm Coast’s Central Park, with 55 lighted displays you can enjoy with a leisurely stroll around the pond in the park. Admission to Fantasy Lights is free, but donations to support Rotary’s service work are gladly accepted. Holiday music will pipe through the speaker system throughout the park, Santa’s Village, which has several elf houses for the kids to explore, will be open, with Santa’s Merry Train Ride nightly (weather permitting), and Santa will be there every Sunday night until Christmas, plus snow on weekends! On certain nights, live musical performances will be held on the stage.
Editorial Notebook: Anybody surprised? “Since 2020, confidence in the courts across the other OECD countries has been stable, while the U.S. has seen a sharp decline — 24 percentage points — in the past four years,” Gallup reports. “The resulting 20-point gap in confidence between the U.S. and the median of OECD nations in 2024 is the largest in the Gallup trend, which dates to 2006. The decline in confidence in the U.S. judicial system not only means the U.S. ranks below other rich nations, it is also among the steepest declines Gallup has measured globally on this metric.” Juxtapose this report from Reuters in March: “In a review of commenters’ posts on three pro-Trump websites, including the former president’s own Truth Social platform, Reuters documented more than 150 posts since March 1 that called for physical violence against the judges handling three of his highest-profile cases – two state judges in Manhattan and one in Georgia overseeing a criminal case in which Trump is accused of illegally seeking to overturn the state’s 2020 election results. Those posts were part of a larger pool of hundreds identified by Reuters that used hostile, menacing and, in some cases, racist or sexualized language to attack the judges, but stopped short of explicitly calling for violence against them. Experts on extremism say the constant repetition of threatening or menacing language can normalize the idea of violence – and increase the risk of someone carrying it out. Mitch Silber, a former New York City Police Department director of intelligence analysis, compared the Trump supporters now calling for violence against judges to the U.S. Capitol rioters who believed they were following Trump’s “marching orders” on Jan. 6, 2021.”
—P.T.
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Flagler County Commission Workshop
Palm Coast City Council Meeting
John Lennon’s ‘Lost Weekend,’ at Ocean Art Gallery
Flagler County’s Cold-Weather Shelter Opens
Flagler Beach Library Writers’ Club
Random Acts of Insanity Standup Comedy
River to Sea Transportation Planning Organization (TPO) Meeting
Separation Chat: Open Discussion
John Lennon’s ‘Lost Weekend,’ at Ocean Art Gallery
The Circle of Light A Course in Miracles Study Group
Weekly Chess Club for Teens, Ages 9-18, at the Flagler County Public Library
Flagler County Drug Court Convenes
Model Yacht Club Races at the Pond in Palm Coast’s Town Center
Palm Coast Beautification and Environmental Advisory Committee
Flagler Beach City Commission Meeting
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This attitude is in part right and in part wrong. Much of the law is indeed written in formal shape, the authoritative emanation of the state through agencies to which the judge is confessedly inferior. Beyond the limits of such ambiguity as the words may honestly carry the judge surely has no duty but to understand, and to bring to his understanding good faith and dutiful acquiescence. For the results he may not justly be held accountable; to hold him is to disregard the social will, which has imposed upon him that very quiescence that prevents the effectuation of his personal notions. There is a hierarchy of power in which the judge stands low; he has no right to divinations of public opinion which run counter to its last formal expression. Nevertheless, the judge has, by custom, his own proper representative character as a complementary organ of the social will, and in so far as conservative sentiment, in the excess of caution that he shall be obedient, frustrates his free power by interpretation to manifest the half-framed purposes of his time, it misconceives the historical significance of his position and will in the end render him incompetent to perform the very duties upon which it lays so much emphasis. The profession of the law of which he is a part is charged with the articulation and the final incidence of the successive efforts toward justice; it must feel the circulation of the communal blood or it will wither and drop off, a useless member.
–From Learned Hand’s The Spirit of Liberty (1951).
Laurel says
No kidding. Those three are a much bigger threat to our country than most immigrants, who helped to build it.
Pogo says
@P.T.
Thank you very much for today’s excerpt from The Spirit of Liberty, Papers and Addresses of Learned Hand
As stated
https://www.amazon.com/spirit-liberty-Papers-addresses-Learned/dp/B0007DNY8A
Also
https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Liberty-Papers-Addresses-Learned/dp/B000NWX8LS/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
The speech that inspires the title
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+“Spirit+of+Liberty”+Speech+Judge+Learned+Hand+Presented+in+1944
Pogo says
@As stated
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+%E2%80%9CSpirit+of+Liberty%E2%80%9D+Speech+Judge+Learned+Hand+Presented+in+1944
Ed P says
Danger? Don’t these 3 bad men employ/employed north of 250,000 people in their careers. Currently 200,000 employees making very good money.
They have donated millions and million to charities and in Murdochs case his children are very liberal.
Each has been a disrupter on their own. Good or bad is dependent on your views. I believe, Tesla, space x , x , PayPal and even Fox have impacted the world positively.
The comparison is ridiculous, but I bet there will be other nonsensical agreement with the cartoons satirical premise.
Jim says
Ed P – you’re right. These three fine men employ north of 250k people so all the other stuff they do shouldn’t be held against them. If you are providing jobs, anything you might be doing that harms the country you provide the jobs in is completely okay and should never be held against them. There’s nothing wrong with being a disruptor. However, there is something seriously wrong with destructors. And when your actions directly contribute to possibly irreversible damage to our democracy, I don’t really care how many people you employ. You’re still anti-American. And, Ed P, they are all ridiculously rich and I guess you’ll say they all “earned” it. And that’s another problem with the USA right now, too much money in the hands of people that do not have the best interests of most of the people. Watch and see.
Sherry says
Right ON Jim! A truly excellent comment and political perspective! Thank You! Happiest of Holidays to you and yours!
Ed P says
Explain how they damaged democracy. Not some liberal nonsense but something that resembles the truth. Musk bought twitter and changed the course of censorship. Pay pal hurt us how? Space x and Tesla how? Fox? Because they compete with network tv? There isn’t any news today, it’s journalism, entertainment, and opinions. Everything has a political lean and everyone lies.
Wake me up, what do I miss?
Explain why being a billionaire is wrong. Don’t you believe in the American Dream?
And to anyone who says money can’t buy you happiness. You might be correct, because happiness is a state of mind and not a destination. However, I guarantee you, money provides you with many more opportunities and freedoms, thus making the mind set of being happy easier.
Laurel says
Ed P: So, you really believe that these billionaires, who paid millions of dollars into Trump’s campaign, (who probably would have lost if it wasn’t for these supporters’ money) and now have not only a huge amount of money, but huge political power, are really there altruistically for you and me? Really? They will get their extended tax cuts, plus another tax cut, and what will pay for it? Did it escape you that Musk gets government money for his businesses?
“Yes, Elon Musk’s companies, Tesla and SpaceX, have received significant government subsidies and funding, including loans and tax breaks aimed at supporting electric vehicle development and space exploration. For example, Tesla received a $465 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy, and SpaceX has been awarded billions in government contracts.” – DuckDuckGo Duck Assist.
Space discovery is a government program. Musk just followed up.
Do you believe that Peter Thiel groomed Vance because Vance is just a genius, out to protect us childless, crazy cat ladies, whether we like it or not? Vance believes Haitians are from “Haitia.” Vance has close to zero experience, and has his positions handed to him by Thiel. Vance is a Project 2025 boy who can be manipulated. You figure Thiel has no agenda other than to make life better for us?
I’m not even going to bother with Fox Entertainment.
Oh, by the way, Trump was just playing “Bobbing for microphones.”
Ed P says
FYI
Harris reportedly spent 1.4 billion
Out spending Trump by 4.6 million
Just keeping the facts straight.
Can’t buy a Presidency?
Matthew says
SO TRUE ! it’s rare to happen, but you’re looking at it.
Also this is yet another graphic example of how fiscally irresponsible lefties are, they LOVE spending someone eases money furiously.
M.A.G.A.2025 !
Sherry says
This Cartoon is Right On! Let’s just get a tiny taste regarding what Musk has been up to in just the past couple of days:
Dec. 20, 2024
An agreement was struck. Washington was ready to leave for the holidays having come together on a plan to fund the government and avert a shutdown — albeit with some grumbling on the Maga right.
Then Elon Musk jumped in. By Thursday morning, that deal had collapsed.
After days-long crusade by the Twitter and Tesla CEO, House Republicans began coming out in droves in opposition to the bill — in no small part due to a wave of phone calls from Republican voters furious over Musk’s tweets, which described the deal as “criminal”. Musk, in countless posts, raged against the legislation and overtly threatened to “end the careers” of any Republican who voted for it multiple times.
NYT Dec. 18, 2024
“Elon Musk and his rocket company, SpaceX, have repeatedly failed to comply with federal reporting protocols aimed at protecting state secrets, including by not providing some details of his meetings with foreign leaders,” the newspaper report said.
December 12, 2024
Elon Musk’s worst suggestion so far: ‘Delete’ the IRS?
“Elon Musk recently polled his X followers with a simple question: Should the IRS’s funding be increased, the same, decreased or ‘deleted.’ Regrettably, the vast majority picked the last option. Abolishing the IRS might sound appealing, especially given that President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee to run the agency — former congressman Billy Long of Missouri — previously sponsored legislation that would do just that. But it’s extremely wrongheaded.”
-Natasha Sarin, The Washington Post
Musk weighs in on Meta after Zuckerberg’s company donates $1 million to Trump’s inaugural fund
“The tech billionaires are fighting for Donald Trump’s attention. At least, that’s what it looks like. Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, donated $1 million to the president-elect’s inaugural fund, the company confirmed to POLITICO on Thursday. And this morning, it seemed like fellow billionaire Elon Musk has taken issue with its CEO, Mark Zuckerberg’s potential involvement in the new administration.”
-Ben Johansen, Politico
Musk’s Foundation Gave Away Less Money Than Required in 2023
“New tax filings show that the Musk Foundation fell $421 million short of the amount it was required to give away in 2023. Now, Mr. Musk has until the end of the year to distribute that money, or he will be required to pay a sizable penalty to the Internal Revenue Service.”
-David A. Fahrenthold and Theodore Schleifer, The New York Times
December 10, 2024
Senators turn to Elon Musk to pressure House on child online safety
“A bipartisan group of senators looking to raise pressure on House leaders to take up child online safety legislation revealed an unexpected ace over the weekend: Elon Musk. But the effort is fizzling already. Musk and one of his top lieutenants, X CEO Linda Yaccarino, amplified calls Saturday to pass the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA), a sweeping bill that sailed through the Senate in July but has been bogged down in the House amid opposition from Republican leadership.”
-Cristiano Lima-Strong, The Washington Post
Musk’s politics hadn’t seeped into Tesla. Then he axed its eco car of the future.
“The internal deliberations over the so-called Tesla Model 2, which have not previously been reported, reflect what sources close to Musk describe as a significant shift in the billionaire’s attitude toward climate change. And with Musk deeply embedded in the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump, his startling transformation from environmental crusader to critic of dire climate predictions could help bolster moves in Washington against clean energy — and even electric vehicles.”
-Pranshu Verma, Elizabeth Dwoskin, Faiz Siddiqui, and Shannon Osaka, The Washington Post
GOPers Suddenly Fear MAGA Nitwit MTG Is Creating a New Mess for Trump
“These are heady times for MAGA. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Elon Musk are teaming up to slash the government to ribbons as part of Musk’s new Department of Government Efficiency. What could give MAGA a bigger thrill than that high-wattage duo? But Politico reports that some Republicans quietly fear that Greene’s involvement could become a major distraction for the Trump-GOP agenda.”
-Greg Sargent, The New Republic
December 8, 2024
X helps update Kids Online Safety Act in final push for passage in the Republican-led House
“With just weeks left to pass legislation before Congress adjourns, X CEO Linda Yaccarino announced she worked with the authors of the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA) to update the bill in what seems like a play to win over the Republican House leaders standing in the way of it becoming law. The striking announcement is the latest example of how Elon Musk and his companies are taking on significant roles in influencing government output. While it’s not unusual for outside stakeholders, including companies, to weigh in on pending legislation, the fact that the bill’s sponsors, Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), announced X’s input indicates they view it as helpful to the bill’s chances of passing.”
-Lauren Feiner, The Verge
December 6, 2024
Elon Musk gave $20M to mysterious group defending Trump’s abortion stance
“Elon Musk bankrolled a mysterious campaign group that sought to convince voters in the final days of the presidential election that Donald Trump would refuse to sign a national ban on abortion, according to Federal Election Commission filings released late Thursday. The filings for RBG PAC, apparently named in reference to late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, show the Elon Musk Revocable Trust funneled $20.5 million into the group just days before the Nov. 5 election. It was the sole disclosed donor.”
-Trisha Thadani and Clara Ence Morse, The Washington Post
December 5, 2024
Elon Musk Backed Trump With Over $250 Million, Fueling the Unusual ‘RBG PAC’
“Elon Musk, the world’s richest man, spent over a quarter of a billion dollars in the final months of this year’s election to help Donald J. Trump win the presidency, federal filings revealed on Thursday. The sum is a fraction of Mr. Musk’s wealth. But it is nonetheless a staggering amount from a single donor, who poured the cash into allied groups and is now playing a role in helping shape the next administration. One of Mr. Musk’s most brazen moves — which emerged only on Thursday — was spending $20 million to prop up a super PAC that was named after Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the late liberal Supreme Court justice, but that sought to help Mr. Trump by softening his anti-abortion positions.”
-Theodore Schleifer and Maggie Haberman, The New York Times
December 4, 2024
Massive Elon Musk donation news to me, says Farage
“Reform UK leader Nigel Farage says talk of a $100m (£78m) donation to his party by US billionaire Elon Musk is ‘pure speculation.’ Farage told the BBC the idea was ‘complete news to me’ and ‘I’ve heard nothing of the kind.’ The rumours were sparked by the Sunday Times, which reported Conservative Party officials were concerned about Reform using the money to wipe their party out at the next election. Mr Musk’s father Errol in an interview with GB News, suggested his son, whose grandmother was British, could take UK citizenship to get round foreign donation rules.”
-BBC
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman says it would be ‘profoundly un-American’ if Elon Musk uses Trump admin role to ‘hurt’ competitors
“Lawyers for both sides gathered before a New York federal magistrate judge Tuesday for more than four hours to work out disagreements over how they would collect potential evidence from one another. Depositions are set to begin in January. A lawyer for the newspapers said in court that the publications have confirmed millions of news articles were used for AI training.”
-The Associated Press. Fortune
December 3, 2024
Elon Musk’s Real Plan Is Starting to Appear
“Musk, along with Trump crony and business executive Vivek Ramaswamy, has been tasked by Trump to run the figurehead Department of Government Efficiency, where their mission will be to eliminate government waste. It’s no secret that their vision of waste includes Social Security, and they seem to have the backing of Trump and Vice President–elect JD Vance.”
-Hafiz Rashid, The New Republic
November 27, 2024
Elon Musk publicized the names of government employees he wants to cut. It’s terrifying federal workers
“Last week, in the midst of the flurry of his daily missives, Musk reposted two X posts that revealed the names and titles of people holding four relatively obscure climate-related government positions. Each post has been viewed tens of millions of times, and the individuals named have been subjected to a barrage of negative attention. At least one of the four women named has deleted her social media accounts. Although the information he posted on those government positions is available through public online databases, these posts target otherwise unknown government employees in roles that do not deal directly with the public.
-Hadas Gold and Rene Marsh, CNN
Ed P says
Simple question, how does any of this irreparably harm our Democracy?
Me thinkith you described what democracy is.
Laurel says
Ed P: You thinkith strangith.
Ed P says
Laurel,
Is thinking strange or unconventionally worst than lunacy?
Me thinkith it is not.
Remember good, better, less better, or less good.
We will never land on common grounds if all the left has is name calling ( such as strange- which is one of the milder names used) instead of rational debate.
Musk, Thiel, and Murdoch may be a lot of thongs but they don’t pose a threat to the United States of America.
In the words of a president who should be on Mount Rushmore (according to Nancy Pelosi)
“Come on man”
Laurel says
He was just scratching his itchy tonsils with the closest object.
He was mocking a man with palsy strictly through empathy.
He grabs women by the pussy, whether they like it or not, purely to protect them.
Now, how do you expect anyone to have a meaningful, logical conversation with someone who supports that kind of person?
C’mon, man.
Matthew R says
I’ll try to keep this answer simple for you.
presuming that you are in the “United States” we do not have a democracy, we are a constitutional republic, all 50 individual states joined as one nation.
The word democracy is never mentioned in our founding documents.
Constitutional Republic
Noun; A form of government in which officials are elected by citizens to lead them as directed by their country’s constitution.
Democracy is a system of government in which state power is vested in the people or the general population of a state.
All 50 individual states joined as one nation.
When election time comes ONLY members of the republic should be voting, when illegal aliens are present that exclusive membership is threatened.
There are numerous ways that illegal aliens present a wide range of problems throughout our society, beginning with how they entered the country illegally.
draining the social systems, typically they have no intention of assimilating & never do, some have been here for decades and never made a single effort to get naturalized. Some are good citizens, some are career criminals by not going through the naturalization process and taking the oath to our nation they are still sworn to a foreign sovereign nation, that is bad, foreigners can not engage in our system of government. You already know all this but for some reason choose to ignore it.
Educate yourself, it doesn’t cost any money but it is priceless to have.
https://online.hillsdale.edu/
Get your free copy of the United States constitution & read it along with the Declaration of Independence, if you’re interested in answering your own question, otherwise, how about you explain how having millions of illegal aliens in our Constitutional republic is NOT a problem.
Laurel says
Matthew R: Let me make it even simpler for you:
For the money, by the money.
The billionaires are taking over our democratic republic, and they don’t give a flying rat’s ass about you, me, or Ed P.
Matthew Riden says
If only this cartoon was even one percent accurate. Depicting ALL illegal aliens as a harmless close family unit simply looking for a better life, aside from being false, is WILDLY DISINGENUOUS. If in fact that were the case that family would make the transition LEGALLY, rather than risk life & limb doing it illegally. Our government needs an enema for numerous reasons including corruption anyone who can’t see or admit that is either part of it or in denial. The DOGE is here to do that procedure & the appointment is set for 1-20-25.
Here is my challenge to Pierre Tristam & the Flagler Live editorial crew. Find out.
And post the number of legal migrants who complete the naturalization process & take the oath every week and become proud new U.S. citizens on their way to assimilate. Let’s see what those numbers are.
Pierre Tristam says
The cartoon is closer to 99.9 percent accurate if it’s crime you’re worried about (it’s committed in far larger proportions by non-immigrants–our own bust yesterday is exhibit A–), if it’s jobs you’re worried about (the economy would be up some creek if it weren’t for illegals) or if it’s morals you’re worried about (though that ship has sailed, given the last election results). The country’s immigration system bears repairing of course, and Biden tried, but was screwed out of a fix by the GOP’s extremists, who didn’t want to hand him that victory and undermine the Trump propaganda machine demonizing anything brown and south of the border. As for naturalization numbers, a 100 millisecond google search can yield you those numbers, and an even quicker search can yield you the definition of red herring.
Whathehck? says
Here is a challenge for you Matthew: how legally and truthfully did co-president Musk entered and stayed in our country?
“Educate yourself, it doesn’t cost any money but it is priceless to have.”
Pogo says
@Elon, is that a mustache under your nose?
“(Reuters) – U.S. billionaire Elon Musk, set to join President-elect Donald Trump’s administration, waded into Germany’s election campaign on Friday, calling the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) the country’s saviour…”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/elon-musk-gives-nod-to-german-far-right-party-as-election-looms/ar-AA1wdFnY
Sherry says
I’m suggesting that trying to interact with trolls is a complete waste of one’s time. They merely want to “provoke/disrupt” and nothing else. They really do not care about you, your opinion or your response.
Here is a good definition of a troll:
Online trolling refers to the intentional act of posting provocative, offensive, or disruptive content directly to others with the aim of provoking an emotional reaction, stirring up controversy, or causing disruption within a community, often by using inflammatory language, personal attacks, or spreading false information, primarily to get attention or amusement at the expense of others; essentially “baiting” people into a negative response.
Ed P says
Sherry,
Or is it about injecting some credentialed facts to level the lean?
Similar to what Jake from State Farm seeks.
May I also point out, trolling is prohibited by Pierre and since he is the moderator…
Pogo says
@Sherry
Bingo.
And, hillsdale.edu? The stench you smell is coming from the real underworld:
As stated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince
Matthew says
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
Matthew says
Police Arrest Guatemalan Migrant Suspected of Burning Woman to Death on NYC Subway
Updated: 21 hours ago
Articles
Summary
Horrific Video Shows NYC Subway Rider Engulfed in Flames As Accused Killer Watches From Platform
A chilling video captured by a witness shows a woman engulfed in flames inside a New York City subway car, as the alleged attacker calmly watches from the platform.
Pierre Tristam says
Matthew is the prototype in the etymological genesis of the exception that proves the rule. Perhaps he should have a look at this Mass Killing Database, where the overwhelming majority of mass killers are, like him, as red-white-and-blue American as mass killing. But he learned his Goebbels well.
Matthew says
Instant “bob & weave” just as soon as the truth & facts show your PoV to be all wrong, you try to change the subject. Were not talking about world wide mass murderers, though it it true that some of them are here now in our country through illegal entry. I was merely pointing out the fact that yet again an illegal alien has committed yet another heinous barbaric criminal act. this is exactly the type of thing that the naturalization process is designed to minimize/eliminate through the vetting process.
No sane moral normal thinking mind can possibly justify the invasion of our nation by millions of illegal aliens.
Think for a moment about how that victims family now must deal with the avoidable murder by fire death of this woman & now plan her funeral during this holiday season.
Pierre Tristam says
There is no “yet again.” There’s only your blindness to the very facts you claim to respect, that prove that immigrants, whether legal or undocumented (sorry, we don’t use your racist fog whistles here) commit crimes in far lesser proportions than Mayflower citizens, and for the last few years have been the difference between a functioning economy and a second rate one. But you’re so intent on demonizing anything brown and south of the border that you’ll hunt Ahab-like for any shred of evidence that somehow, somewhere, an immigrant did what Americans routinely, obscenely do. Misrepresenting facts included. Your obscenities are too amateurish to miss, which suggests that you’re merely transcribing from the nearest tv set kicked in on the usual tripe, using this site as your opportunistic platform. I think we’ve had enough trolling.
Sherry says
I see more “Trolls” are emboldened to post their inflammatory BS here because “King Troll” was chosen by members of the mindless maga cult. Don’t “take the bait”, don’t waste your time by trying to reason with toxically immoral people. Google has some good suggestions for dealing with such vermin.