The Palm Coast Planning Board Wednesday recommended approval to rezone acreage off Old Kings Road north of Town Center Boulevard to multi-family zoning for a 243-unit apartment complex there.
The proposal, which must still get the Palm Coast City Council’s ratification, drew opposition from residents of Toscana and Hidden Lakes, the two subdivisions to the south of the acreage.
It also drew mis-statements by opponents of the project. Michael Judge, a new resident of the Toscana subdivision, claimed–in a letter with a 100-signature petition opposing the rezoning–that “Apartment occupants use resources like schools, fire department, police, infrastructure, etc., and do not, in turn, contribute anything to the community.”
The statement, not uncommon among opponents of apartment complexes, is brazenly false and reflects more prejudice than analysis. Apartment residents contribute taxes to their community through their rent payments, just as they pay sales taxes, gas taxes and utility taxes, all of which also contributed directly to the local community. Central Landing, the 233-unit apartment complex near Epic Theater in Town Center, paid $134,000 in property taxes last year. The Palms, an 88-unit complex, will pay roughly $80,000 in taxes this year.
If anything, commercial properties like apartment complexes subsidize the taxes of homesteaded properties since commercial properties have no homestead exemptions, nor are commercial properties’ tax increases capped at 3 percent, as are homesteaded properties. The longer a homestead property owner lives in a home, the greater the “protected,” or untaxed value of that home–and the more that revenue must be made up somewhere. Commercial properties such as rentals and businesses make up the difference.
Judge actually benefits from an extra homestead exemption of $25,000 in addition to the standard $50,000 exemption, with a total of $146,000 of his $400,000 in taxable value being “protected,” or untaxed.
Jake Scully, a member of the planning board, cited Judge’s letter–without naming him–before asking Bob Million, a representative of the proposed 243-unit apartment complex on Old Kings Road, a few questions.
“The business model of any kind of rental for residential, multifamily or a single-[family] house, the revenue, top line, comes from–and this is going to sound dumb–rent, right?” Scully asked.
“That’s fair to say,” Million said.
“And part of those expenses are our property taxes, correct?”
“Correct.”
“And without homestead exemption,” Scully asked.
“Correct.”
“And it’s about a $40 million dollar project. So a substantial amount of tax,” Million said, though that figure requires a caveat of its own: the apartment complex will not be valued at $40 million, nor generate the equivalent property taxes. Million was referring to the total cost of the project, with a lot of those taxes getting paid through sales taxes, payroll taxes, impact fees and the like, though the impact fees would themselves alone be substantial. The property falls also in the Old Kings Road special taxing district, which pays a supplemental tax to pay for the expansion of Old Kings Road. Million said the lands he represents as one of those property owners have so far paid $600,000, since Palm Coast instituted the special district in 2013.
Million–a long-time local developer, and more recently of Hammock Harbour fame in the Hammock–described his entity as “the major landowner on the undeveloped section” of Old Kings Road, with “almost a mile and a half of old Kings Road between Palm Coast Parkway and State Road 100.” He spoke of the impact fee and tax windfalls to the city, and infrastructure improvements that would result from the rezoning and the conjoining of the two parcels now split. The apartment complex would generate $1.8 million in impact fees, he said (the one-time costs developers pay to defray the impact of development on roads, parks, schools and so on.)
“We’ve been under discussions with everyone to get the get the proper permits, but it’s our intent to start building that relatively quickly,” Million said of the apartment complex.
The property is 2 miles north of the intersection of Town Center Boulevard and Old Kings Road. It’s laid out oddly. It’s actually two parcels, split by a sliver of land that belongs to Palm Coast government. That sliver was donated to the city some years ago to accommodate an eventual connection between Whiteview Parkway, parallel to that area and just to the west of I-95, and Old Kings Road. (Since the Department of Transportation is not likely to approve a Whiteview interchange with I-95, being too close to the State Road 100 and Palm Coast Parkway interchanges, the east-west connector to Old Kings Road, while not terribly likely, remains a possibility. The land swap must be approved by the City Council, and is separate from the rezoning matter.)
Only 12 acres of the 29 acres were up for rezoning–the 12 acres that form the quadrant of land north of the sliver owned by Palm Coast. Those 12 acres were zoned commercial. The balance of the property was already zoned for apartments. The rezoning joins the two in a single zoning designation, and moves the Palm Coast sliver to the north of the property, adding 100 feet to the city’s holdings, for a tidal of 300 feet, thus giving more space to an eventual connector with Whiteview.
The previous zoning would have allowed 135,000 square feet of commercial, general office space to the north and 140 apartments on the southern parcel. The city is not opposing the elimination of commercial space because between Palm Coast Parkway and State Road 100 along Old Kings Road, there’s approximately 800,000 square feet of entitled office space, Ray Tyner, the city’s deputy development director, said. “That’s enough to accommodate almost 20 City Halls along that corridor,” Tyner said. “That’s just for the office, not not the commercial zoning that we have in place. So to add this acreage along with this multifamily provides that mix of use of having some multifamily.”
“As currently zoned there are 50 allowable uses” for the commercial part of the property, Norton said, “potentially generating over 900 additional [vehicle] trips per day. Some of the uses include hospice services, hospitals, houses of worship, liquor stores, sit-down restaurants, mail order facilities, medical offices, assisted living facilities, vehicle sales and services. The proposed zoning reduces the number of uses and allows multifamily units to be spread across the entirety of the site.” A traffic study projects “a significant reduction in daily trips associated with the proposed result.”
None of that placated the opponents in the room (the proposal drew some 40 opponents at Wednesday evening’s planning board meeting at City hall), among them Judge, who argued before the board that there were plenty of other parcels already zoned for apartments. Why rezone this one?
“Every week you come up with these hearings and you’re rezoning this, granting exceptions there, everywhere. It’s ridiculous, ridiculous,” Judge said. “You’re getting a swell of people in the city that are getting very disturbed over what’s happening here in the city. We’ve had way too much growth, way too much development. And everybody is looking at these parcels individually as like they’re islands unto themselves, and nobody’s looking at the big picture.”
Inaccuracies or mis-characterizations about the particular parcel aside, Judge was nevertheless reflecting a broad-based unease by established residents across the city about the torrid pace of growth over the past few years, though there’s also an irony in the opposition: some years ago Toscana and Hidden Lakes didn’t exist, but their addition changed the complexion of Old Kings Road, just as other developments have along that road since. Now the new residents at those subdivisions are in essence wanting to close the gate and stand in opposition to others who may want to live on the same road.
Darlene Shelley, a Hidden Lakes resident, also addressed the board. The board knows her well by now. Shelly has led the opposition to two self-storage facilities recently approved, nearer Hidden Lakes. She is also leading a lawsuit against the city over those developments.
“If you continue to approve every special exception and zone change that a developer sends your way you are not protecting the beauty and character of Palm Coast,” Shelly said. “Bigger is not better when it comes to multifamily apartment complexes.” She said the rezoning is not in line with the city founders’ vision for smart growth, raising doubt about the “flyover” from Whiteview and its hairpin turn onto Old Kings Road. “The homes for Tuscana behind this parcel, these parcels, are million-dollar homes. They knew there was a small multifamily parcel–not a huge new one.” (The rezoned parcel is about a mile north of Toscana.)
Tyner rejected the claim that the city was ignoring the bigger picture, pointing out the comprehensive plan princess and referring to the proposed development as “infill,” meaning that it is going where intended, on land zoned for development, without sprawling elsewhere. “This is opposite of urban sprawl,” Tyner said. The property already had the appropriate comprehensive plan designation, with development intended for it.
The matter still must go to the Palm Coast City Council.
Planning Board member Hung Hilton suggested adding a condition to the application, to “have some sort of like market analysis, something that looks at the current state of the multifamily residential across Palm Coast and to prove that it’s fitting in with the demand and not just a short term or short sighted.” But such conditions are not permitted with a mere rezoning.
The Planning Board voted 4-1 to recommend the rezoning, with Scully, Hilton, Christopher Gabriel and Charles Lemon in the majority, and Board Chair Sandra Shank against.
“My concern was that first of all the number of units that will be increased by joining the two parcels under one zoning,” Shank said in an interview Thursday. “Although we have a lot of Office 2 within the city, Old Kings road, the infrastructure, is not really there at this point to support the increase in my opinion of additional multi-family units, and the number of units it’s currently zoned for is sufficient.” Shank also questioned the design of the Whiteview “flyover.”
See the city’s staff report on the rezoning application.
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Janice Nickol says
So many of us who have been here for over 20 years remember seeing the signs in several wooded locations throughout Palm Coast, that read “Florida Land Preserved for our future” What happened to those signs?? When I asked our Mayor he said “Oh those areas are still there… Really??? I don’t believe him ! Such as this project if I recall That’s one of the areas. Just what was the land for those apartments rezoned from?
Have our county officials lost their sense of why we love PC?? And for the sake of $$ want to just build everywhere?
I grew up in S Florida and watched what happened over 20 years ago down there, sadly my worst fear has come true it’s happening here… AND our elected officials don’t care… depressing
David Schaefer says
Great point Janice . I propose amending the city’s charter and getting rid of those idiots on the council as well as the current mayor. They have proven that they could care less what the public says many times over. Oh it’s thank you for your comment and it goes nowhere. They are in it for the money thats all.
Darlene L Shelley says
The City of Palm Coast is ignoring the Future Land Use Map and Comprehensive Plan every time they approve a special exception or zone change. These changes to the design for smart growth in Palm Coast are detrimental to the health, welfare, and safety of the local residents. The voices of the people are being ignored and disregarded for a fast buck and the developers are being rewarded at our expense. Old Kings Road cannot safely handle the dangerous traffic conditions it has now, and the widening project is years overdue. No current traffic studies have been completed and there is no infrastructure to support these new developments. This PLDRB and City Council have been approving EVERYTHING that comes before them, ignoring the valid concerns of the residents. Palm Coast needs so many things, specialty stores, destination restaurants, Trader Joe’s, Wholefoods, quality employers, tech jobs, businesses that will enhance the lives of the local community. GET SMART about the future of Palm Coast. Listen to the residents instead of the developers as their concern is for the thickness of their wallets, not the good of the citizens of Palm Coast.
Richard Smith says
Well said Darlene…
Janice says
So Citizen’s WHAT CAN WE Do ??
How can we begin quickly to protect what natural areas we still have left.
Slow this down and do the growth in a responsible manner.
Taking on here is good for venting but we need action, not just politely being lied to.
Enough is enough.
Roy Redford says
The reason City Council approves EVERYTHING is because they are not qualified, do not understand many things that are put in front of them but do not want us to see it. So immediate approval hides their lack of knowledge.
Question is Where to find well qualified folks that have time to spare to be a City Council member? Any capable person is busy either with their own business or work they are dedicated to.
So year after year we get what’s left. And they methodically ruining our city.
J. E. Donovan says
They shouldn’t be allowed to build anymore housing on Old King’s until they make it 4 lanes. It’s already too busy the way it is; imagine adding all those apartments! Palm Coast doesn’t ever worry about infrastructure until AFTER the fact. How about preparing for all these new developments with SCHOOLS, water, roads, etc before cramming them in?
Palm Coast Citizen says
If it’s already too busy,, imagine what more commercial zoning would do. Housing, whether mutli-family or not, is much less intense on traffic than commercial developments.
NIMBY says
There’s a lot going on in this article, but since this is palm Coast and the voters have repeatedly expressed their desire for the current state of affairs, I will abstain except for one point: “Apartment occupants use resources like schools, fire department, police, infrastructure, etc., and do not, in turn, contribute anything to the community.”
The people who do those jobs, and don’t forget nurses and nursing students as well, will likely have to live in an apartment because they will not be paid well enough to buy a $350,000 home.
JD says
If it’s anything like the other “apartments” in this city, normal middle class working individuals wouldn’t be able to afford to live in them either. Unless you’re on some form of welfare, it’s virtually impossible to rent something, on say a salary of 40k to 50k. The mayor and city council don’t really care about their constituents.
The dude says
“Apartment occupants use resources like schools, fire department, police, infrastructure, etc., and do not, in turn, contribute anything to the community.”
So the exorbitant FL sales taxes apartment dwellers pay, along with the rest of us here, don’t contribute?
The property taxes the actual apartment complex owners pay aren’t simply paid via rents charged?
The gas taxes apartment dwellers pay don’t go to a fund that benefits “the community”?
The folks living in those apartments don’t contribute to the community at large, either directly via their jobs (nurses, teachers, fire department, police, infrastructure, service workers, etc.) or volunteer activities?
G A says
Once again, folks, you keep electing republicans and then wonder why they don’t listen to you. It’s because they really don’t care. No matter what they promise you, once they are elected they do what they darn well, please. If you want the situation here in Palm Coast to change, you MUST change the way you are voting. It is really that simple.
Roy Redford says
Look at your Democrats and slow Joe that cares so much about you with inflation sky high and gas prices never seen before. Your sick politics is destroying our country.
Denali says
Actually, the only ‘slow’ one here is you. If you honestly thing a sitting US president can control gas prices or global inflation then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. When big oil was on track to make billions in windfall profits last year what was the first thing they did? Reduce prices at the pump? Hell no, they went on a stock buy-back program and increased investor dividends. As for inflation, good grief, General Motors sold 500,000 less cars last year than 2020 yet revenue rose by $5 billion. and you blame Biden for inflation – sure looks like corporate greed from here. And who was it that gave businesses the 14% tax cut, cut the estate tax, reduced tax rates on the higher tax brackets, reduced taxes on foreign income and cost the public $1.17 trillion over ten years? Hint: it was the same guy that screwed up NAFTA which led to the current baby formula shortage. Second Hint: His initials are Orange Menace . . . Try watching PBS or listening to NPR instead of FOX news for facts in lieu of propaganda.
Mickey says
Right to the point and all true facts. Just want to add that Biden is the first President since Clinton to directly pay down the deficit. 350 Billion I believe. This year alone. That’s less than a quarter of the deficit created by Trump and the Republicans Tax cut for the 1% Rich. And the Republican working class base (like here in Florida) keeps voting for these people because, what, Tucker Carlson, trust fund baby and heir and Rupert Murdoch, Australian Billionaire, says Democrats are Communists?????? Jesus Guns Babies. Good lord!!! But the cycle will continue: Biden will address the real problems and fix much of the economy in the next 2 years without a working Congress, and then a Republican will get in in 2024 and destroy it all again taking care of their real base, which is the 1%. (See 8 yrs of Reagan, see Clinton/Bush, see Obama/Trump.) So, yes, MAGA world, go ahead and bitch all you want, it’s your own damn fault. Same as it ever was.
James says
Where are the jobs that will pay all these folks a “living wage” that will in turn allow them to pay their monthly rent? Orlando? Daytona?… Jacksonville?!?
How are they going to get there?
How is the rent going to remain affordable with inflation on the rise? How many retirees will be moving here once the baby-boomers start declining in number. And what about those retirees? With Republican folks like Rick baby, will they have SS to subsidize their rent and expenses anymore?
This growth model for Palm Joke is untenable in my opinion… but just like the ball on a roulette wheel, when and where is anyone’s guess.
Erobot says
Apartments is code for public housing. Get ready people. This is the new reality.
Blowing in the Wind says
One BIG Hurricane and Palm Coast is TOAST !!!!
Realist says
Seems like they are intent on destroying Palm Coast.
Jimbo99 says
$ 134K on 233 units for property taxes is simple math. $ 575.11 per unit for property taxes. $ 80K on 88 units is $ 909.10 per unit. They are paying their taxes. That population growth doesn’t work with the roads we currently have for traffic. It is what it is. That road rage knife wielding incident, it’s only getting worse with more traffic. I know I can count on it, anytime you move away from the overpopulation, they find you and move back to where you relocate to bring their same brand of crime, traffic, demands that the rest pay for their takeover. They don’t improve the area, they’ll just force their unaffordable lifestyle on everyone else to solve why they’re dealing drugs or stealing cars from an apartment complex or rental duplex. More of Biden’s America.
MITCH says
City Officials continue to tell all citizens/residents that your lives are not worth protecting. Our “Disappearing Quality of Life” plagued with toxic traffic fumes, toxic brake & tire dust, & damaging traffic noise. City Officials do not address how citizens/residents lives will be lost when all this congested traffic CANNOT possible evacuate quickly/safely during a National Emergency due to no infrastructure to support such an emergency and no plans in sight to address safely evacuation. How many development presentations have ever addressed evacuation showing existing traffic volumes with projected traffic volumes increase from development; “NONE”. Keep listening to “LOS – road Level of Service (how much traffic a road can handle)” NOT “Quality of Life” or “Evacuation Safety” that City Officials WILL NOT ADDRESS – how many lives will be harmed or lost – WHO CARES? Volume of Vehicles and health, you know “Quality of Life” – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28551888/
Charles says
The Mayor who gave himself and the council will approve it since the taxpayers don’t want it. This is how the City Officials in PC operate.
Jay tomm says
Vote them all out! I see the campaign signs all over the place. VOTE THEM OUT!
R M F says
2–Things that need to be addressed.
1–I have live here for 20 years and every day the city and county say’s not to take baths, take a shower don’t wash your car because we have a water shortage. Did the city and county find more water?
Will the new construction have water.
What about us?
Sounds like the JIMMIE Carter days when we were out of oil. (2020 oil coming out of the wells that were dry when he was in office.
2–Remember that the mayor wants new construction because he is in the REAL ESTATE business too. How many more in in Flagler and Palm Coast are in the REAL ESTATE business?
REMEMBER always
follow the “MONEY”!
Mark says
I believe I read before that ITT planned for Palm Coast to eventually have 400,000 residents. Buckle up the future is starting.
FlaglerLive says
In fact, 600,000.
ULTRA MAGA says
Do approve this project until Old Kings Highway is Made a 4 Lane Highway and the water and sewage plants have been enlarged! Dump RINO Dumko!
Darlene L Shelley says
I have been attending the City Council meetings and telling the Mayor and Council that Palm Coast needs a moratorium on ANY commencement of new development on unimproved Old Kings Road until it can be determined that it is safe and will not be a threat to the health, welfare, and safety of the local residents. Every time there is an accident on I-95, Old Kings Road becomes an interstate. It cannot safely handle the traffic that exists now, let alone untold numbers of apartment complexes, storage facilities, dollar stores, and every other thing the local residents DO NOT WANT OR NEED!!! There are many properties in Palm Coast and Town Center currently zoned for Multi-Family, Industrial, and Comm-2 use, why change zoning and allow special exceptions when there are parcels designated for these uses in areas that are conducive to them? Only one answer- GREED!
Denali says
For all of you complaining about all the growth in Palm Coast, all I can say is ‘buckle up buttercup’. It is only going to get worse. There are currently about 10,000 vacant single family parcels remaining in Palm Coast. There are also literally thousands of acres zoned for Master Planned Developments which may include, among other uses, single families on smaller lots and townhouses. In other words, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
ITT/Levitt viewed Palm Coast to be for an older set of folks, beyond child-bearing age and financially secure. The development was laid out accordingly with meandering streets and cul-de-sacs. Schools were not big in their plans nor were industrial/commercial areas for job growth; walking trails and parks were more their thing. Palm Coast was to be a bedroom community for the retired set. They had not planned for the huge influx of thirty-somethings having three or four kids each. It was assumed that the streets were sufficient as folks would not all bunch together at 7:30 and 5:00; they would spread out their trips over the length of the day.
The city has failed to keep up with this unanticipated change in growth. I-95 splitting the city in half does not help, we are limited to the four in-town crossings with only two of any meaningful use. Florida Park never should have had properties fronting it, Old Kings needs to be widened, the intersection of Royal Palms and Town Center needs to be addressed, the Belle Terre drag strip and demolition derby needs some kind of proper policing, Matanzas Woods will need to be widened, as will Palm Harbor Parkway. New schools and fire stations will need to be built, grocery stores with decent parking lots will appear (well maybe not the parking lot thing).
Our hospital needs a maternity ward, maybe now more than ever. Access to decent medical care is deplorable. Our small rural town up north has two doc-in-the-box places, a dozen GP’s, as many dentists and a hospital to put Advent to shame in a county with 35K residents.
Enough – time to buckle up or leave ’cause it’s gonna get bumpy.
Celia M Pugliese says
I totaly agree with Donovan above “They shouldn’t be allowed to build anymore housing on Old King’s until they make it 4 lanes”. It’s already too busy the way it is: imagine adding all those apartments!” No rezoning until Old Kings Road is widen 4 lanes from Rte 100 to Matanzas Parkway! That project is behind for over 15 years overdue! The way our city is requesting for road infrastructure grants is ridiculous. Carl Cote city engineering allowed to be requesting grants for expansions west of Rte 1 into current vacant lands and what about the desperately needed widening of Old Kings Road and finishing of the traffic calming Islands and other items presented, approved and budgeted project for Florida Park Drive? NO REZONING until Old Kings Road is properly widened so can sustain the traffic generated by more multifamily housing, businesses etc. other than basing themselves in skewed traffic studies presented by the powers that be, is like asking the fox to design the chicken coop. Every time there is an accident in I-95 the traffic is redirected to Old Kings Road…becoming a further safety issue by all of us and specially to current residents of Hidden Lakes and Toscana. Multifamily generates tax revenue to cover “future infrastructure and services” but the road infrastructure widening of OKR is needed NOW before any rezoning approved! We attend these long council meetings and lately we are not even answered about our concerns presented in our 3 minutes by Council or Mayor. A departmental head tell us a lie to appease us and get away with it. Just look at my claims regarding the muddy mess and rotten sewer smell in Florida Park Drive along the Island Walk walkway, I was told by utility manager they need to install a new sewer pump station under the pavement there but there is no budget $$ for that yet, but they approved 22 million new sewer plant in the north end of Palm Coast by Matanzas Pkwy to benefit the new developments there? Maybe we should call the EPA now on that smell and muddy mess and see how actually the remodel of Island Walk was approved regarding its sewer connections service, as the spill over a cracked system was already addressed as I was informed? Who Carl Cote, Ray Tyner, the planning board and our council are serving first the rich developers or the existing residents quality of life? Do not compromise the strip of land reserved for the White View Parkway extension to benefit the developer now, as in few more years if not sooner will be needed White View access and over I-95 . Very sorry for those Toscana and Hidden Lakes neighbors, keep up the fight! No Rezoning! Then also they make blunders like the closure of Forrest Grove in and unnanounced closure 2015 council meeting redirecting 5,400 vehicles a day into Florida Park Drive (already had 8.400 day traffic) and Club House Drive tro benefit who? Carl Cote is in the meeing video saying “to prevent pass thru traffic”! What about FPD traffic past thru traffic Carl? Forest Grove closure a real joke without input from the affected residents then on a street that only has houses in the south side as the north side only has school, etc, vacant fenced lands as former schools access to Forest Grove is permanently closed and fenced. We do not need road closures but instead more roads are needed as we are packed like sardines in the few roads we have. Reopen Forest Grove and do it for the affected residents of FPD, F Section, Sanctuary and Club House Drive. Also request a grant or come up with the funds to build the needed safe saving lives sidewalk for the Cimarron neighbors and stop beating around the bush. That should have been requested prior as condition before the Sanctuary approval. These city is governed and administered by nonsense when it comes to growth. Now you can go kill the messenger exercising her First..
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Darlene Shelley says
Celia- You are so very right and the Mayor and City Council have failed the citizens of Palm Coast and have kowtowed to the fat cat developers at every opportunity, with complete disregard to the Comprehensive Plan and Land Development Code and ignoring the concerns for health, safety and welfare of the local residents. Then they want to be compensated with an gargantuan raise, with BENEFITS??? Every citizen of Palm Coast needs to sign Mike Martin’s petitions to rescind this raise, and change the charter to remove the fox from overseeing the henhouse! We all should be attending the council meetings demanding a moratorium on construction on Old Kings Road until the widening project is completed. Please visit charterpetition.com and sign the petitions to help the fight against greed and prove to the mayor and city council that we do have a voice!
Pissed 24 year citizen says
Wow crime is fixing to go waaaaay up and our beach is going to be extremely dirty. First a hotel now this mess? We know exactly what kind of “families” this is going to attract. Get ready to get your houses robbed and longer lines at the grocery store, longer than they already are. Good job Palm coast! Screwing us once again!
Foresee says
Remember the housing crash of 2008? Apparently the City Council doesn’t. As a reminder they should look at the empty, clear cut “Town Center”, perhaps only now, 18 years later, beginning to recover. Back then, housing prices plunged leaving many houses in foreclosure. Imagine that on a grander scale. Then the developers will come to the City and claim “hardship” and not pay their taxes, or abandon their projects and leave the City holding the bag.
DennisC Rathsam says
STUFF EM IN ALVIN STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!! Traffic sucks yet we keep on adding people. Does anyone in city hall have any common sense? The Tin man and our mayor are one in the same, their still looking for a brain! Streets are falling apart, cant shop… theres no place to park, talk about poor planing, or no planing atall! Tinman wake up, your killing Palm Coast…Listen too the people. Have a townhall meeting, if you got the balls… The people dont want your progress, These 1/2 ass polititions have ruined this city, we came here to leave this kinda crap behind, wake up folks its all downhill from here.
A.j says
The Ballon is getting bigger. it will explode soon. When it does a lot of people will be homeless, unlike 07 and 08, inflation is very high when the Ballon explodes I’m sure it will be much worse than 07 & 08. Get ready.
BMW says
Anyone do the research on the ‘apartment dwellers’ in Palm Coast? The median income is nearly 40% greater than the average ‘home dweller’. Before obtaining a lease in a professionally managed community, applicants are subject to criminal background checks. Ever check the addresses of the sexual predators the Sheriff posts every Halloween? Fact, multi-family is less taxing on the environment from the inception. And my favorite repeated fantasy – ‘apartment is code for public housing’. Right, ‘apartment dwellers’ are peasants and not human beings who are attracted to the flexibility of renting under a professional management company. Yep, Old Kings is a gridlock nightmare – only in one’s dreams. Lastly, throw in the old Republicans are evil line – which makes zero sense what-so-ever – just the same old same old don’t have an intelligent comment so let’s make it political. Is it surprising only 23.2% of those living in Palm Coast have a 4-year degree or greater? Along with the creation of housing options, we need to have an infusion of intellectual diversity, too.
BARBARA ROYERE says
Stop the building ,preserve our land, our animals too many people coming here. It is just government greed.
There is so much construction going on, pollution, loss of trees . STOP IT NOW