
Last Updated: 8:37 p.m.
As with so much in the recent history of the council, tonight’s attempt to appoint a permanent city manager was messy, it lacked unity, and it ended in deadlock as the council voted in zigzags against both Paul Trombino and Richard Hough in a half dozen 3-2 votes.
The council opted to ask both candidates to write white papers on budgeting by next week to allow for yet another vote. Whether either candidate will agree is unclear, especially after this evening’s deliberations.
There was appreciation for both candidates. There was also reluctance. Council members Ty Miller, Dave Sullivan and Theresa Pontieri each had reservations about making an appointment, but each was also willing to do so, if that’s what the council wanted: not the most rousing way to appoint a new manager, and not the most encouraging message to send either candidate.
Miller and Pontieri voted against both candidates and didn’t change track. Council member Charles Gambaro voted only for Trombino. Mayor Mike Norris had motioned for Hough, then switched to Trambino when votes for Hough failed.
Sullivan, who attended the meeting on a problematic zoom connection that at one point caused him to vote for Trombino when he thought he was voting for Hough, switched votes several times. Even after he agreed to reconsider his vote against Trombino, when it looked like Trombino would finally get the nod, Sullivan voted against Trombino yet again. He did so because he said a unanimous vote appointing a new manager was crucial, and no such vote was forthcoming.
A rather grim Doug Thomas, the SGR consultant the city hired to shepherd the recruiting process, let the council know that he would contact the candidates to coordinate the white papers and their reappearances before the council next week, assuming they agree. It was Pontieri’s hesitancy about what she saw as a paucity of budgeting experience with either man, that led to her suggestion that they write the white papers.
For Palm Coast, this evening’s deadlock, and particularly the No votes from Pontieri and Miller, reflects a refusal to settle, especially without unanimity. It is also a consequence of the council’s recent history of turmoil, with a mayor just investigated for improprieties regarding the chamber and deep divisions between council members roiling the application process, which drew barely three dozen candidates. Of the five finalists, three dropped out before the interviews, one of them, astoundingly, preferring to take a city manager job near the arctic circle, in a tiny town unreachable by road and in the dark six months of the year, rather than continue to seek the Palm Coast job. And he had been the only candidate with near-unanimous support from the council.
Miller was concerned about the number of candidates who dropped out–or didn’t apply–because of the instability. “I question whether we’ve hit that mark of a rock star,” he said, though he was willing to make a choice this evening, if that’s what the council wanted to do.
Pontieri saw integrity, work ethic, and competence in both candidates. But she was concerned with the lack of budget experience in both candidates. “Particularly the state that we’re at in our city right now, where I do feel we’re at an inflection point, economically, if we don’t make some very strong and smart economic decisions,” Pontieri said, “we could be setting ourselves up for a rough time ahead, and I don’t want that.”
It’s not just budgeting, but the learning curve ahead for two out-of-state candidates who must learn the state’s Sunshine law, and other Florida-centric issues. For example, she was struck by Hough misinterpreting the ratio of personnel versus other costs in the city budget.
“This type of decision should be 5-0,” she said. “It’s very important that we set up a city manager for success. And if any of us expresses a lack of confidence and their ability to manage the city. I don’t know that we’re setting them up for success, and I don’t know that that’s fair to them.”
Doug Thomas, the consultant the city hired to shepherd the city through the recruiting, tried to convince Pontieri that both candidates have the necessary budgeting experience, including a $17 billion budget managed by Trombino at one point. She wasn’t convinced.
One of the many surprises of the evening came from Gambaro. His natural choice would have been Hough, the candidate who spent all but the last seven years in the military. He is now the public works director in Walworth County, Wis.
“It’s no surprise for me, but you know, when I see a candidate that has military experience, I tend to gravitate towards them, and for a lot of different reasons,” Gambaro, who has spent most of his career in the military, said. “But I got to tell you, in this case, I’m not.” It was not an easy thing for Gambaro to say, he conceded later. He was opting for Trombino. Gambaro spoke of Trombino’s extensive experience in emergency management, his leading the Iowa transportation department (“he was a CEO and confirmed twice by the Iowa Senate”), his extensive credentials as a civil engineer, his nomination by President Trump to lead the federal transportation department in 2017, and so on.
“We need somebody that’s been a CEO,” Gambaro said.
Much of the reluctance on council members’ part was echoed from the floor as people in the audience saw too much settling afoot. “They’re impressive people, but are they the ones you really want? Are you settling because you’re desperate to have a city manager? I hope not,” said Dave Ferguson, who earlier this month was passed over as a finalist for appointment to the seat that went to Sullivan. Ferguson had served on the council a decade ago. “I wasn’t impressed with them as being the guy. They could do it. They might learn how to do it, just like the current acting city manager and the previous acting city manager. They learned and they carried the ball.”
“There’s only one person that’s doing the right job every day for us,” one public speaker said, pointing to Acting City Manager Lauren Johnston. Eddie Lang, another resident, said likewise. “I don’t think you have a rock star,” he said of the two candidates. “The person with the most experience for the city manager is our interim.”
Even Sullivan said his preference was to appoint Johnston. His endorsement for Hough was a cavalcade of caveats. “If I were forced to make a decision tonight, I would tend to go with Richard Hough, at this point,” Sullivan said. He didn’t mention experience. He mentioned only one skill: “Public presentation and ability to instill confidence, that would be the primary reason I would probably tend to go to Mr. Huff at this point, because I think that’s an important part of the job.”
Hough got several votes from the gallery, too.
Norris complimented both candidates. His votes reflected his words: he was willing to switch for an appointment’s sake. But he was first to make a motion, passing the gavel to Pontieri so he could do so for Hough. His reason was a bit odd: “Because of Mr. Huff’s status as being a retired military member, you’re saving a whole lot of money,” Norris said. “Mr. Huff is not going to go for all those benefits in his packet, because he doesn’t need them.”
“Obviously cost effectiveness is a factor,” Miller, himself a veteran, said, “but I really don’t think that viewing this from a lens of who’s going to cost us less is the best way to do it.”
t.o. Doug says
Sullivan being so inexperienced with the virtual connection that he constantly allowed the mike to feedback loudly into the chambers and accidentally voted for the wrong person was… just… wow…
Here hold my beer.... says
Wow, once the Mayor got the gavel back it was down hill from the.
The Dave Sullivan debacle ended the chance of success. Sullivan should never have gotten that seat.
The consultant wasn’t worth his money. They couldn’t find a City Manager in this state so we don’t pay the haul someone across the country?
The City Lawyer should have been on it with better direction with the miss vote, fire his ass too.
Lauren Johnston God bless you. Stay focused it’s almost over.
JimboXYZ says
Another wasted search effort. But they can add a splash pad & pickle ball courts/tennis center expansion. FCOL, pick one, they’ll fire that guy anyway within a couple of years, it’s a highest turnover rate position with City of Palm Coast. Hiring a City Manager to fix the botched last 5-6 years alone is like finding a unicorn ?
Hreg says
Total laughing stock. Sad for Palm Coast.
Get it right says
Please don’t settle, city council. This position is SO important. We need a unanimous agreement. Perhaps the right person is the one doing the job right now?
Alex says
I’m a recent transplant to Palm Coast and it is absolutely fascinating how we have a group of confused, incompetent people holding public office. The degree to which this borders on a clown show rivals anything I’ve seen, both in major cities and small towns. Politics itself is a nasty game and much easier to stomach when there are tangible results that are worth celebrating. For all of the infighting, posturing and lack of direction, one would think that someone, somewhere would actually care about where Palm Coast is headed. This place is located in one of the most storied areas of Florida’s Atlantic Coast and it is a tragedy that unbridled capitalism, sheer arrogance and ignorance will be among the many reasons PC will not become what it could be. With each council meeting that occurs, with every article that comes out about how a true longevity mindset cannot be implemented to ensure the success of PC, the more of a laughing stock this becomes and any candidate worth his/her weight would not want to participate in clowns picking a clown representative to assume the blame of what will surely happen. I’ve seen this formula play out many times and I can guarantee it is going to get much worse, because humility and integrity is lacking in Palm Coast.
Justbob says
One word…embarrassing.
DennisC Rathsam says
THE CITY COUNCEL!!!!! A SHIP OF FOOLS!
C.D. LEO'Tech says
I don’t go to Council meetings often, but this one was legendary.
Sullivan needs to forget sitting at home and trying to do two things at once.
I hope his second “thing” mentioned was trying to listen to the live feed on his smartphone, since his Zoom feed had latency issues. Otherwise, he always needs an in-person appearence. Add in the 30 second delay of the live feed audio on his smartphone. Everyone was treated to a delayed audio replay mixed in with the live Zoom audio. Not to be remembered as a shinning moment in City Council meeting history, but now enshrined on the internet.
Makes one wonder if another candidate will choose to go to the South Pole, since it is farther away from Palm Coast.
Bill Kelly says
Imagine that you are an experienced city manager. Why would you want to apply in Palm Coast knowing what their likely working relationship would be?
Critical Eye says
What a complete disaster of a train wreck Palm Coast city council is All 5 are clueless, ineffective, dysfunctional, incompetent and completely out of touch. Their total lack of knowledge, understanding, or ability to effectively govern is the epitome ignorance.
The vice- mayor sitting on the dias with her hands covering her face so unprofessionally and proclaiming her inability to make a choice between the two candidates is reminiscent of the story of Hennie Pennie crying OMG The Sky is Falling. Her reasoning so far off kilter. She seems to be very impressed with listening to herself speaking. The so called mayor just wants to get it over so he can leave. He doesn’t know what he wants outside of a title and a guaranteed monthly paycheck. Sullivan is too old he doesn’t go out after 4:30 in the afternoon. 6pm is most likely his bedtime. Miller and Gambaro will choose anyone opposite of whoever Norris wants.
That’s the sum of it. Palm Coast is just plain screwed up. Both candidates should run away as fast as they can. What a horrible environment they would be stepping into.
OK, so there you have it.
George E Huhn says
In my 28 years in Palm Coast , become a City things will be better business an opportunities will grow,, it has been a failure, Get a mayor that wants a change and chance to make it better and we get a council that has no idea what they are doing, each on a power trip instead of helping this city. Very sad …
The dude says
You MAGA morons specifically voted for this. ALL of this.
At this point anybody who actually WANTS this position maybe needs a deeper look. Anybody that has done their research and says “oh yeah, I’ll fit in good there!” is not qualified.
So either these finalists haven’t bothered to research the position, or they’ll just be more of the same.
The interim CM is doing a fine job. Too bad the council is batchit crazy, and the same fools keep recycling through it so nothing will ever change here. Otherwise she might be more interested in the job.
Do better.
M&KPLen says
This, to me, sounds like a plan to keep the current city manager. The residents of Palm Coast don’t want appointed members. The appointed members are appointing other members. As far as I’m concerned, there’s way too much appointing going on. If the person holding the position of city manager has so much power or responsibility, why aren’t we electing that individual as well? Who becomes mayor if Mike gets removed, hmmm? Will there be a special election or another appointment? Something odd is happening right in front of our eyes. Mayor Norris was elected fairly by our citizens. We want him to remain. Figure out a way to work together.