In the last 10 years either Flagler County or its cities, or all of them together, have banned the sale of synthetic marijuana and bath salts. They banned the sale of vaping products to people under 21. They tried to regulate out of existence pill mills and Internet cafes until the state effectively did so. They restricted medical marijuana shops to a few areas.They’ve regulated short-term vacation rentals. All in the name of public safety, all in the name of saving lives. In some cases, as with synthetic marijuana, the dangers were more exaggerated than real. There never was a synthetic marijuana epidemic, and medical marijuana shops pose no greater risk to a community than churches.
The point is that local governments had the power to regulate, and they did so even when the evidence didn’t justify it. Now we have a pandemic on our hands. Unlike that list of supposed hazards above, the coronavirus is now among the leading killers in the United States, with 120,000 dead so far, at least 3,200 dead in Florida (the number is almost certainly an undercount) and one of the more reliable models projecting over 200,000 dead by the end of September, 18,000 in Florida. A few deniers aside no one doubts Covid’s lethality. The Fox-infected propagandists who still go around claiming it’s not much different than the flu are the sort of people who also claim we don’t have a race problem in this country. Deniers can be dangerous to your health, and mine.
The death numbers keep rising, and in Florida for the past two weeks new infections have been spiking to levels far beyond anything we saw at the previous peak of the epidemic in April. Not just spiking, but overwhelming what we’ve had before. We’ve had 33,000 new infections just in the last two weeks. Put another way: more than a third of all of Florida’s infections since the pandemic started have occurred in the last two weeks.
No, it’s not just because the state is testing more. It was testing more in late May, too, and we didn’t see these “astronomical” numbers, as Flagler County’s Jonathan Lord described them Wednesday. And no, it’s not because younger people are getting tested, as Gov. Ron DeSantis said in his astronomically denying press conference Saturday–one of his more acid performances of manipulation, contempt for evidence and sheer ignorance, and there’s been many as he continues to lawyer and politicize a disease without a single scientist or public health official at his side.
The spike is unquestionably due to the state reopening as fast and as broadly as it has, with hardly any mandated guidance to control the spread of the virus. Not then, not now.
In Florida, as in Texas and Arizona, the states with some of the highest spikes, DeSantis and fellow-governors have acted like quacks, taking their cues from Donald Trump, who thinks the virus will just “disappear” one day, maybe like the black tenants he hounded away from his rental properties when he was a slumlord. It hasn’t, it won’t, especially the way these governors are going about it.
The reopening is not wrong in itself. But its reckless manner is. Its allowances in a near-vacuum of mandatory safety requirements leaves it to the whims and ignorance of individuals to enact. It’s compounding earlier mistakes. The claim that hospitals are not overrun misses the point. This isn’t just about protecting hospitals. That’s the wrong measure. It’s about keeping people from getting violently sick and dying, no matter where or at what pace. Who cares if 1,000 people are dying over a span of 10 weeks instead of two, if in the end we still have 1,000 more people dead? Managing this pandemic isn’t about managing hospital ICUs. It’s about preventing deaths, any deaths, any time.
But our approach right now is indifferent to those numbers, especially since there are immediate, cheap, unintrusive and very effective means at hand to do something about it. I’m referring of course to masks. They should be a requirement anywhere in public, anywhere there’s a gathering, anywhere, to borrow the biblical line, two or more people are gathered in mammon’s name. Gainesville and Osceola County already have these mandates in place. Orange County is imposing the order starting tomorrow. What is Palm Coast waiting for? What is Flagler County waiting for? What’s our health department waiting for?
The fear here is not the virus. It’s offending people’s sense of personal freedom. But masks are no more intrusive than seat belts or prohibitions on smoking. They’re the equivalent of a minor act of respect toward your fellow-citizen. It’s courtesy by cloth. You’re not wearing one to protect yourself. Unless you have the more bunker-like masks on that health care workers wear, you’re wearing one to keep others from being exposed to your virus, should you be infected. It has nothing to do with restricting your freedom and everything to do with keeping you from infringing on that of others. As County Administrator Jerry Cameron put it Friday on the radio, “at the end of the day freedom doesn’t mean anything if you’re dead.”
“If you’re so worried about it, stay home.” No. If you’re so indifferent to others’ freedom, you stay home. I like the reaction of a passenger on the American Airlines flight from which Brandon Starka, one of those Kardashian equivalents of Trump mercenaries, was booted for refusing to put on a mask: “Put it on or get off.” You’re not free to yell fire in a theater. You’re not free to spew your droplets in a store, a meeting room, a house of worship. The irony is that most local governments are enforcing those rules in their own buildings.
Unfortunately, we still have a few local elected officials flagrantly ridiculing masks and using their positions as elected officials to do so, undermining the very message of their own emergency and public health officials. But a mandate doesn’t have to be martial law. It can be imposed the same way local authorities handled social distancing: with education rather than policing, but with the authority to do more. Our low infection numbers aren’t a reason not to do it. They’re the reason to do it, because these numbers will not remain this way otherwise, and with schools about to reopen. Enough denialism. More to the point: enough childishness. People are dying, and state government is criminally indifferent. It’s up to our local governments to act. It’s time for mandatory, universal masks in Flagler.
Pierre Tristam is FlaglerLive’s editor. Reach him by email here. A version of this piece aired on WNZF.
PB says
Absolutely agree!
Judy says
Agree. Tried to get a message to our mayor, but had no luck. Hope she will do something.
LetThemEatCake says
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No other words needed. You said them all perfectly.
Mary says
Please Flagler County do something about the lack of precautions being taken out there. Now the virus is attacking people in their 20s and 30s. I’m sure after what i saw yesterday in Flagler Beach that this is the case. Restaurants and bars with over flowing crowds and not a mask in sight. Hostesses and wait staff without protective gear. Mostly 30 somethings who will carry their germs to drug stores and grocery stores And gas stations that are frequented by most Flagler County residents.
MyTwoCents says
I AGREE 100%!!!!!!!!
Jane says
I have a theory. The same people who refuse to wear masks are the same people who refuse to wash their hands after they use the bathroom. It is disgusting.
Right says
Umm…No. Some people who don’t wear masks have done some homework and have also seen those wearing the masks either do so incorrectly or are touching the masks with their germ ridden hands. The masks harbor those germs. So while your sky is falling, I’ll continue to live free.
hawkeye says
Amen brother
rich santo says
Hope you can live free on your vent.
Justin says
You are correct!
Jim says
This is insanity! I hope I’m not in front of you on a line somewhere. What gives you the right to infect me? Certainly not the Constitution.
Angela Mahler says
If you are going to the store or a public place, you will probably not be there all day. Don’t listen to the crazies…just wear a damn mask.
erobot says
That’s what they said when an earlier incarnation of nazis forced people to wear a yellow stars. It’s all about control.
Masks, social distancing, forced incarcerations in one’s homes, etc. are the beginning of the end of the freedoms we’ve enjoyed in the best country ever created on earth.
Wearing a mask puts the wearer in danger from forced breathing of expelled air.. That is a fact. That’s why surgeons wear them when operating.
Paul says
erobot, your comments are inherently irrational. The ‘People who were SINGLED OUT with stars on their sleeves were the persecuted Jewish minorities many of whom were eventually murdered by the 1930’s/40’s nazi government because of their race.
If we are all required to wear masks How Are We Being Singled Out? We’ll all look the same, because we will all be wearing masks. To help in reducing the spread of Covid-19. It’s called a community protecting each other.
How is that un-American? Didn’t Trump say we are fighting a war, don’t Americans work together against their enemies, visible or invisible?
you said:
‘Wearing a mask puts the wearer in danger from forced breathing of expelled air.. That is a fact. That’s why surgeons wear them when operating’
Do you have any idea how absurd this statement is? To paraphrase ‘Surgeons wear masks when operating because it put’s them in danger’. That defies logic as does all of the Qanon garbage.
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Trailer Bob says
It is only moral to protect each other during this event. Like I said…forget all the comments on paper face masks, as that is not the only option. I bought plastic total face shields for my friends and family. You can even drink your beer with on of them on. Covers you eyes also, as opposed to the filthy cloth masks.
So you can have opinions, but stay away from me if only to make it appear you have common sense.
Sandra Sites says
Or die?
BF says
Better germs on my hands than up my nose or down my throat.
Sandra L. says
Comments like yours, just proves how gullible people can be. Panicking is what the mainstream media expects of ignorant, indoctrinated sheep. I didn’t need Covid 19 and the media to know I have wash my hands frequently. However, people like you, had to be told how and when to wash yours. Why the hatred for those that don’t wear a mask? What’s really behind your being so worried that others aren’t?? Nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with trying to control others. Wear your mask if you feel you have to, but don’t try to tell others what to do.
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!
Pierre Tristam says
Missing the point. Your viruses are my business, and I don’t want your business.
TheBoldTruth says
Pierre,
I work with four employees in the Orlando area that have tested positive. All of these employees wear masks and gloves at all times and according to them, even in their personal life because they don’t wnat to catch anything and get their families sick. So here they are all sick and wore PPE. Tell us again how masks work?
Have Compassion says
The purpose of masks is not to protect the wearer, but to protect the surrounding people from the possible pathogens they may carry. If people wearing masks got sick, that means the people around them were not wearing masks.
Wearing masks is not an issue of freedom or suppression. It is simply having the humility to recognize that anybody could be an asymptomatic carrier (including yourself) and having the COMPASSION AND EMPATHY to protect your community by wearing a mask.
If anything, you are infringing on your fellow community members rights to pursue a happy, healthy life by refusing to wear a mask in public, as the mask protects everyone around you. Masks are most effective when everybody bands together with a common goal to protect the community. It only takes one selfish person not wearing a mask to affect the health and safety of an entire store full of people.
The opposition to mask wearing is an issue of lacking empathy for others and lack of proper education about the pandemic. Wearing a mask is NOT a political statement.
erobot says
Pierre, come on. You know masks only protect others from you, they do not protect you from ambient viruses, but they do hurt you because you are breathing your expelled air. Your body is expelling that air because it’s toxic to you.
Pierre Tristam says
I wear a mask dealing with these comments.
Trailer Bob says
Too many people that think they know it all, actually do not know much about many things. I doubt most of these people took many college level science classes. If they had experienced a university RN program such as myself, they would think differently. IF this keeps up, I am going to have to purchase a stun-gun…lol. Just kidding…But Maybe not.
Trailer Bob says
Sandra, you don’t appear to being considerate of others, or in you words, “minding your own business”.
Christopher Lemke says
Spot on, Sandra L! Person A “Why aren’t you wearing a mask? Are you trying to kill me????” Person B “I have done a lot of research and even the CDC says that they are ineffective. Do you think that masks are effective protection?” Person A “Yes and you are committing crimes against humanity.” Person B “Well, if you think that they are effective, then you are protected and we are good to go. Have a nice day.”
Yes, it’s all about control.
Paul says
I agree absolutely. Make Masks Mandatory in Florida, in public.
There’s a pandemic out there, it’s deadly for some, cases are spiking in Florida.
Mask wearing, or refusing to do so, isn’t or shouldn’t be a political issue. It’s about respecting and protcting each other and if you don’t respect fellow Americans you single yourself out as antisocial, unpatriotic even.
Diana says
While I agree that masks should be mandatory INSIDE buildings, you lost me when you got political. You didn’t need to get your personal politics involved.
William Moya says
Everything we do from the moment we step into society is politics, is not just electioneering, is not just what happens in D.C., and it affects just about every things you do.
Use soap says
The alt right has made not wearing a mask a political statement when all it really is, is a sign or ignorance with no basis in science and medicine. This started with trump because he knows he can manipulate his base by saying words that make no sense and doing dumb things that will incite them. It’s always about the election for him. In reality he is only using his followers and gaslighting them into believing wrong is right and vice versa.
If you found a lump somewhere on your body, would you ask Fox News or a politician what to do? Nah, you would go to an MD and ask them what to do.
How has America dumbed down to the point where they believe a lying, bigmouth bully, sex abuser with a couple personality disorders? I feel like every day is Opposite Day for trump and his followers. It gets old. It’s boring and it’s old and like trying to decipher the meaning of something that is simply just purely evil for evils sake.
Ann says
Your whole point went out the window when you started calling President Trump those disgusting names…….#
Pierre Tristam says
There’s no D, R or I on my mask. Just regard for you and others.
Use soap says
Thank you. Your consideration is very much appreciated.
CB from PC says
Agree. Virus does not discriminate.
Audrey says
Your article states other wise.
“The Fox-infected propagandists who still go around claiming it’s not much different than the flu are the sort of people who also claim we don’t have a race problem in this country. Deniers can be dangerous to your health, and mine.”
Deniers? Please give me some statistics that make this so lethal you can’t walk outside/inside without a mask? I’m shocked how very few people actually research for themselves or use critical thinking skills. Instead let hateful writers like yourself try to turn fellow citizens on each other, by virtue signaling. Unfortunately, far too many have already taken the bait.
Just because YOU are afraid of something, doesn’t make the rest of us dangerous to your health. If your mask works, why do you care if I don’t wear one? Same “anti” vaccine propaganda they’ve been spewing for years. Be afraid of the healthy. It’s nonsense.
People read and watch Dr Fauci, flip-flop about mask, read the box label on the mask (DO NOT protect against coronavirus) and YOUR face cloth mask certainly don’t work. Read peer review articles from Physicians, there are many of them out there with opposing opinions that aren’t bought and paid for by lobbyists. Unless you’re wearing an N95 mask, your “droplets” are the problem too.
-Think for yourselves!
One last thing. Flager live should be ashamed for allowing such biased writing. Nothing like trying to write a pro-mask article while bringing up politics, race baiting and bashing people who think independently.
Pierre Tristam says
Oh, I don’t know about statistics Audrey. Maybe the 70,000 new infections in the last 18-19 days in Florida? Maybe the half-million deaths worldwide? 130,000 in the United States? Our 2.6 million cases in this nation alone? Not to mention the number of commenters like you?
Mark says
I’m sure hillary would have done better with what obama and joe left her.
TheBoldTruth says
Pierre,
Apparently you are correct that you don’t know about statistics. Florida has 21.48 million people and has confirmed 201,000 cases within the state. That equals 0.96% of the state’s population. Perhaps a class in statistics would benefit you.
Have Compassion says
Reducing 201,000 human lives to 0.96% to make them sound insignificant is productive to nobody. How is 201,000 people at risk of death okay? 201,000 people who are unwell, scared, and at risk of spreading poor health and fear to others. You might feel differently if you or a loved one was one of 201,000. Not to mention that number has drastically increased. A statistics class will help nobody in this case, but listening to people who have studied medicine and epidemiology their entire life might.
DP says
I don’t have a problem with wearing a mask. The problem will also lie in the fact that regardless of wearing a mask some my very well still contract the virus. Why?, The typically layperson hasn’t a clue the proper way to wear any PPE. I’ve seen people gloved up, wearing a mask, and repeatedly touch their face/mask, their key’s, wallet/purse, and just about anything/ everything in the public with those gloved hands. They then continue to open vehicles, place items inside, then drive still wearing those glove’s. I’m sure that when they get home the glove’s are still on, and then they touch everything in the house. We all know that the virus can live on surface’s for a little while. We also know that you should be changing out masks on a normal schedule/time frame. The more use, the more frequent change. This also depends on the type being used. So before the city’s/government once again impose another order, they themselves should take the time to educate the general public on proper PPE use. Education goes’ along way, even with proper PPE use we may overcome this virus. Just my thought’s
Ld says
Very true about proper use of PPE and need to sanitize hands, gloves constantly and avoid touching face. Creating new habits important.
Stephen Smith says
I truly believe that mandatory wearing of masks in public when the virus first started spreading, along with social distancing would have reduced the spread significantly or possibly ended it.
MyTwoCents says
“Possibly ended it”??? No, the ‘cat was out the bag’ as they say. No changing that. I totally AGREE current measures would have been paramount at the on set of this crisis. I mean, a lot of things could have been better. But hindsight is always 20/20.
The biggest problem now in my opinion, is the constant fumbling of our elected government personnel. They HAD a HAVE right now the chance to fix some of the mistakes of the recent past concerning this virus but choose to constantly make things political and further divide the nation during this pandemic.
It’s not about Democrat, Republican, nor winning an election at this point. It’s only about the lives of the humans that make up America, in all its diversity.
I can only HOPE that one day soon, the only intention our government has is the protection of the people that make up this nation when it comes specifically to decision making as it pertains to this and any other potential mass threat.
Jimbo99 says
Yet it’s amazing how an entire industry cropped up out of thin air, to have a fashion war for masks that become contaminated. Looks like the Muslims were way ahead of the curve ?
https://tesyhnet.com/collections/bandanas?
If all are going to be required to wear a mask, shouldn’t littering one be a criminal offense tantamount to germ terrorism. If one dies from an exposure, isn’t that criminal for the one who was the infected as carrier zero that caught it & spread it ? That would be those that drop them in carts or on the ground in a parking lot. Remember, Coronavirus can move 6 feet. Oh wait, 13 feet or as far as the wind will carry it airborne ? See parts of Flagler county reopened and now the battle cry is it’s spreading again, yet Advent ICU has no patients beyond normal expected capacity for anything requiring an ICU room. How many of the 15 ventilators that they ever had are even in use today ? They keep reporting infections/cases with flawed test kits.
So who had it and was spreading it ? I know it’s not in my home, so one of the individual families must have it, spread it to one of the other relatives locally and keep on compounding it. The assumption is someone not wearing a mask spread the current uptick/surge in Coronavirus ? How do we know it wasn’t someone wearing a contaminated mask and eventually the mask system broke down and it was masked people spreading it among themselves as ineffective mask conformists. If a mask gets filthy, even contaminated how often is it cleaned or disposed of properly ?
Norma says
Absolutely masks should be required. I refuse to do business with any establishment that does not require masks for staff. There is mo way it is safe for restaurants to prepare and serve food to guests without masks
I am sorely disappointed in several restaurants that I supported during takeout only weeks that are now disregarding masing and social distancing guidelines. They will be remembered for their disregard when this is over. Take heed Beachfront, Oceanside and Tuscan by the sea.
Claudia H says
I too agree with this and next time I order takeout will ask if the staff wear masks – I ordered 4 large pizzas from Tony’s yesterday and was very dismayed when I picked them up that no one behind the counter was wearing a mask. I should have refused to take them but had a houseful of hungry people waiting
Spitchoke says
You should go get tested, I’m sure you’re fine.
Annabelle says
I so agree. A business that does not require employees to wear a mask DOES NOT GET MY MONEY
Bob says
Perfect… Finally some rational thinking
Memeof6 says
You Said It!!!!!! People who are not wearing masks in public are SELFISH!!!! Like you said, it’s not about keeping you from getting sick, its you keeping in your own germs and not spewing them on others. If the government won’t make that call, I think those of us who believe in keeping others ‘safe’ need to start speaking out to the non-mask wearers when we see them indoors in public places!!! Come on people, read this article again. It says it all! Thanks Pierre
Gary R says
@Memeof6 – “speaking out to the non-mask wearers when we see them indoors in public places”. That would NOT be a wise thing to do. Too many weirdos and people packing heat.
Memeof6 says
Yes I definitely thought of that! This is why the Governor or Flagler County Officials need to make the call.
Steve says
I agree 100% well written but being told to shove it ( I cant your head is already there) by rabid foaming koolaid swillers or “dont you dare tell me you’re not my parent” ( no wonder Tigers eat their young ) It seems that common sense is well not so common. I guess whats more important is letting some one? else decide for you whats best. Either way thats whats up, think about it. Any way keep your finger on the pulse.
Cindy Small says
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Sad citizen says
Thank you once again for the voice of reason. I guess we are going to need to protest here just to protect our own lives. Isn’t this sad our elected officials really care so little about this city ?Apparently our health and safety just isn’t what they are about
CAPTAIN says
Our Mayor is a follower.Not a Doer.Time for Change get out & vote so we can make a change
Jane Gentile-Youd says
Amen Pierre – Penalty? Locked up in your own house – you get charged with locks, food delivered paid by you and necessities paid by you. Can’t afford? One day Community Service for each day you owe – when you come to your senses and cut his : my rights crap. What did the young men do before the DRAFT was eliminated and Military Service was mandatory, How many of then refused to serve because o ‘ their rights’.
Stores – if staff and customers not required to wear masks shop somewhere they do and/or shop on line.
I am hoping to see a huge e-mail from Jerry Cameron announcing mandatory masks or house arrest!
Concern citizen says
Haha so we can all die from carbon monoxide Poisoning . Wash your hands. The swine flu was worst then this. More people die from the swine flu then the covid19.
Just a thought says
Carbon monoxide? That says everything.
Kat says
You need to do some homework. Medical personnel wear a mask for upwards of 12 hours at a time, especially surgeons, and none of them are dying from carbon monoxide poisoning. And as far as the swine flu, it was estimated that they were 12,000 flu related deaths in United States 2009-2010. The COVID-19 death toll in the United States as of today is 119,075, only 3-4 months inTo the pandemic.
erobot says
Surgeons only wear a mask when they’re operating to protect the patient and you may be sure those masks allow normal breathing.
Trailer Bob says
The N95 mask are ok to use, especially if they have the little plastic “gate” so you can breath out the entire breath.
DP says
@ Trailer Bob -This statement go’s at exactly what I’m saying about education, and proper use of masks. The exhalation valve is worthless for the virus. Your still exhaling your breath and possible droplet’s in the air, so why the mask mandate then? Education first, then proper use of masks and types. Enough !!!!
Jane says
Carbon monoxide poisoning? How would carbon monoxide get in there? Yea if you lock yourself in a garage with your car running and you are wearing a mask you might die of carbon monoxide poisoning. But I’m pretty sure you would be just as likely if you weren’t wearing a mask…
I guess we should tell the doctors and nurses that they don’t need to wear masks anymore because we don’t want them to get “carbon monoxide“ poisoning.
Use soap says
Not true. Do your research. Also advise to study the act of breathing aka respiration. We breath in oxygen and breathe out Carbon Dioxide. So, unless you’re operating an internal combustion engine behind that mask or run your vehicle in an enclosed building you’re not breathing out carbon monoxide. Silly. Read books.
Trailer Bob says
Wow! I thought everyone who at least finished High School know we breathed in O2 and breathed out CO.
Whathehck? says
You are so right Concern citizen the swine flu killed nearly 12,500 in the US while the covid hoax has killed nearly 145,000 and counting. How important for you is a period placement in a number? The swine flu or covid-19 do not care what party one’s belong to. Just wear a mask in pubic already, think of it as your seat belt.
Dealk says
I will not enter any building that masks aren’t worn. If they don’t care enough about their customers, I will not spend my money there.
Paul Harrington says
Isn’t the problem much bigger than whether you wear a mask? We went from lock down to full loose. People climbing over each other at restuarants, amusement parks and the beach. There was no middle ground.
Three months ago we should have limited cross county and state traffic and stuck with it. We should be limiting crowded situations. At the beach this morning cars were packed all along along A1A. There is no intelligent thought either way we look at it.
Sure mask have a place but it’s not the only solution.
Phineas Flagler says
Make Burka’s mandatory for women. Shellfish should not be eaten. Tattooing should be illegal. No one should eat the unclean meat(Pork).
Where have I heard all this stuff before? Anyhow….The State is now your religion……OBEY!
Pierre Tristam says
The reductive mutation, a Covid strain that infects individuals with especially viral immunity to reason.
Paul says
Totally immature attempt to distract from the issue while displaying your prejudices.
The issue is: There is a surge in Covid-19 cases in Florida. If both you and I wear a mask when we come in contact
we may have less risk of infecting each other. If you don’t care if you catch the virus or care if you infect someone else you are foolish inconsiderate and obnoxious.
Meanwhile I’ll continued to steer clear of maskless tattoed rednecks eating shrimp flavored pork rinds.
Gary says
People don’t like being forced to do something. You know what else is as deadly as Coronavirus? Obesity. Which kills on average 2.8 million people a year and far more people in the US are infected with it. Should we force people to adhere to certain diets? Maybe outlaw food, period, and instead issue balanced meal packs three times a day.
Pierre Tristam says
Gary, your obesity won’t kill me. It’ll just make me pay higher insurance premiums to cover your astronomical medical bills. But your refusal to wear mask is likely to spread the virus, which kills. You don’t like being forced to stop at red lights, I take it.
Gary says
Driving is a privilege, not a right. Travel is a right, not a privilege. Everybody has access to the public roads, but that doesn’t mean they have the right to operate a motor vehicle on them. In order to gain the privilege of driving on public roads, one must agree to the rules of operating a motor vehicle while also demonstrating the ability and knowledge.
I suppose comparing obesity to COVID-19 is a bit of a false equivalency but that doesn’t detract from the point that coercion is always met with resistance if not outright hostility. If you want people to wear masks then local governments could start by distributing them. Much in the same way that the government cannot force individuals to wear protection during intercourse but plenty of clinics and other organizations make protection readily available and free.
Nonsense says
The governments are distributing free masks. They were distributing them a libraries in Volusia County. Not sure what Flagler County is doing. Also, some cities in VC are distributing free masks. Our government, as a whole is no. They should but some parts of the government are distributing. It is on the news.
Jon Strickland says
Nope. This is America, not China. You’re not forcing me to wear a damn mask. Pierre, you’re a commie. Go fuck yourself.
Pierre Tristam says
Jon, you’re confusing issues. Fucking oneself, while deplorably impossible for most of us—believe me, I wouldn’t mind the occasional distraction while reading these depressing comments, though as Steve Martin said, if he had boobs he’d stay home and fondle them all day and not get anything done—has about as much to do with this as China. But I’m encouraged by your recognition that yes, this is America, once a beacon of can-do hope and common sense. Maybe you can look past your (hopefully masked) nose and see that you’re one among 350 million in this country rather than a viral Rambo on a rampage. I could be wrong. I often am when it comes to taking slogans like “we’re all in this together” at face value.
Mexican Miguel says
MASKS
MASKS
I DON’T NEED NO STINKING MASKS
Edith Campins says
Why is it that individuals of a certain political persuassion can’t discuss an issue with facts and intelligence they always resort to vulgarity and name calling? Reminds me of trump.
Trailer Bob says
Edith, you are no better when you generalize about all people of a particular political party. I am a registered Republican, yet have very little in common with others in my party. It is merely because the majority of those in OUR party are nuts, kids, haters, uneducated, etc. You don’t think the rest of us also think they are ridiculous, uneducated, annoying, idiots?
Generalising is the sign of a lazy mind…just saying.
Mean people suck says
Ooooo, calm down. Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?
Google x-ray, Covid lungs. Go for it.
Let’s not rely on celebrities or politicians for medical information.
Watch your mouth Bet you don’t talk like that at your church.
Sherry says
Thank you Pierre!!! Since our federal and local governments are much more concerned with money and political power than the health and lives of human beings, it is up to “US” to make not wearing a mask AND social distancing completely “Socially Unacceptable”! We also should be voicing our opinions to our local businesses and making sure the managers understand that they are putting us at un-necessarily higher risk by not requiring the wearing of masks AND social distancing.
To those who continuously say that Covid 19 is no worse than the Flu. STOP posting such complete garbage! We really don’t want to hear from you! Covid 19 is much more lethal!!! Over 120,000 have died in only FIVE MONTHS!!!!
Here are some actual facts:
In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that’s a mortality rate of about 0.02%.
The mortality rate for the novel coronavirus is much higher so far, around 2%. That may not sound like a big difference, “but when extrapolated, can mean millions more deaths.”
TOGETHER we can get through this! Lets make a pledge, here and now to do all we can to keep our neighbors and community safe.
In addition to personally wearing your mask and continuing to social distance. . . call DeSantis and make your voice heard:
850 717 9337.
Sherry says
Another thing we should be doing is calling our local city and county commissioners, since DeSantis is such a weakling. Why are our commissioners NOT requiring the enforcement of social distancing at local restaurants? They could act to mandate mask wearing and enforce social distancing at all businesses locally. I’ll bemaking some phone calls tomorrow. How about you?
Barbara Kipnis says
Agree! Palm Coast has done so well thus far because we were ahead of the state on isolation. Masks should be required in all public places.
Just a thought says
It’s simple. No shoes, no shirts, no masks, no service.
TR says
Just a thought, your thinking isn’t that simple because it doesn’t work, I tried it. I went to a locate business that had a sign that read the same thing you mentioned. However, I had on shoes, had on a shirt, had on a mask and still didn’t get service. I later found out that the reason for me not getting service was because I wasn’t wearing any pants. So I’ll never go back to that business again.
Bill C says
Next time one of you “freedom fighters” refuses to wear a mask, don’t bother to stop at a red light- it also interferes with your “freedom”. Get it?
TR says
Bill, I wish I could follow your instruction. But most of the time when I’m on any road in Flagler County there is a q-tip in front of me that stops which forces me to stop. It’s really annoying to say the least. I don’t have time for this kind of behavior.
Aluma says
The “Unmasked” may assume it is safe to be in physical contact with one another. Freedom of choice they say. However – like it or not – freedom of choice comes with responsibility. The Unmasked asymptomatic, infected COVID19 virus carrier does not know they are infected and may be spreading the virus with their uncontained aerosol and droplets. They are irresponsible, walking germ grenades. In fact, in mid-May the CDC said at the time that 35% of infected carriers are asymptomatic (that number can change.) https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/22/health/cdc-coronavirus-estimates-symptoms-deaths/index.html
On the other hand, The “Masked” know they are safely protecting The Unmasked from COVID19. I am one of The Masked. Therefore I have the freedom and responsibility to protect myself from The Unmasked since they refuse to reciprocate and protect me. For this reason, I was compelled to create a guideline to follow if I encounter The Unmasked in public spaces since there is no COVID19 leadership in either Florida or Washington to protect The Masked (such as mandatory mask wearing in public spaces.)
My Guideline for the Unmasked:
1. The Unmasked will not protect me. Therefore, to protect myself and stay safe, I am compelled to assume they are all potentially infected, asymptomatic virus carriers.
2. Don’t risk speaking with The Unmasked-especially if they are not social distancing (spittle.)
3. If The Unmasked is walking toward me, turn and walk away from them until I can distance myself by 6 ft.
4. Do not touch anything I observed The Unmasked has touched (groceries, cart handles, touch pads and the like.)
5. Do not use a public toilet stall if The Unmasked emerges from it.
6. If by chance The Unmasked sneezes or coughs less than 6 feet away from me, take immediate precautions and discard the mask when safe.
7. If possible, only shop in stores where masks are mandatory.
Thank you to our responsible Masked Floridians for practicing good citizenship by following CDC COVID19 recommendations!
Anonymous says
“While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face.
Surgical masks are not intended to be used more than once. If your mask is damaged or soiled, or if breathing through the mask becomes difficult, you should remove the face mask, discard it safely, and replace it with a new one. To safely discard your mask, place it in a plastic bag and put it in the trash. Wash your hands after handling the used mask.”
Taken from: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks
Regulator says
Once again my 10 experts say that masks don’t work and your 10 experts say that masks work. So why should we only listen to your people?
Proud american says
You cannot force anyone to wear a mask.
Look at the numbers this is a problem down south who always had the lockdown And strict measures. They opened up a little bit and got a spike. also a lot of NYers down there if you look at cellphone migration data.
A mask should be worn by those who are sick to prevent it from spreading.
If you are not sick, and are healthy a mask is worse for you.
Grow up folks Be an adult make decisions for yourself not others.
If you are wearing a mask, And I am not, you are safe right?
Russian Bot says
My body. My choice. If you’re that terrified of Covid, you have the right to keep your body at home. To all of you saying you won’t frequent an establishment who doesn’t require masks, I won’t frequent an establishment that does. I guess it’s a wash for businesses. You can glare at me all you want at the grocery store, but if you put a hand on me, I will break it. Your kind aren’t known for their fighting prowess lol
Flatsflyer says
The worse offenders are the boaters flying large Trump flags. Boats are overloaded and obviously not all members of a single household. No masks, no social distancing. The people show both their contempt of society, their low intellect. Again, follow the leader who has been a total failure in any measurement of life, marriages, children, bankruptcies, not to mention his criminal and moral behavior. When someone infected with syphilis becomes a leader, there are major problems to be expected, Hitler, Trump, Capone.
marlee says
Covid is surging in Tucson…they did it!…We can do it.
Emergency proclamation to require Tucsonans ages 2 years and older to wear a mask in public where physical distancing is difficult or impossible.
Willy Boy says
All at risk people should wear mask and goggles, wash hands, wipe off packages, and get used to it because, when they do get a vaccine, it will depend on your already weakened immune system to be effective. Youth wins again.
Jane Elizabeth says
I agree. Mask or ventilator!!! The choice seems pretty easy. Thank you Pierre for an excellent article!!
Steve says
I agrree with Trailer Bob at this point. We are getting into pissing matches, stressed over wearing a fucking mask that will help in protecting others and vice versa and well frankly its worth a try anyway . But still people wont perform a simple task to slow or stop the spread for fellow American? so disheartening
Trailer Bob says
I don’t wear a cloth mask, as they are virtually useless and a germ collector. I use a face shield that covers my entire face. There is foam at the forehead and the plastic goes down to below my chin…I am surprised that there is not any commentary on this mask, as it works and you can still talk and eat with it on. The face masks are germ reservoirs.
MyTwoCents says
Virtually EVERYTHING is a germ reservoir. That’s not the point. The POINT is not to spread YOUR germs to anyone else. So a cloth face mask, face shield etc. is best for OTHERS. We can keep our germs to ourselves and NOT spread them around.
Thanks for keeping your germs to yourself!
Trailer Bob says
We studied masks long ago in biology during my RN training, so yes, the shields are better. Didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers. People need to calm down and agree to agree or to disagree without sarcasm. I don’t even know you, and vice versa. Chill.
MyTwoCents says
No feathers ruffled unless it was yours with your first reply to me. Of course we don’t know each other. No one here does, that certainly ain’t the point, and not worth it to even mention. I made a comment you made a comment, no biggie. Should I be telling you to chill because we have differing points? Of course not, that wouldn’t be logical at all. Anyway, have a good one Trailer Bob.
Christina says
I have been calling ahead to restaurants when we are thinking to pickup food and plainly asking if they require employees to wear masks. If they say no then I let them know we’ll go elsewhere. Maybe if they get enough calls…??? It’s not enough to just walk out because they are not getting the message.
Tired says
This is a brand new campaign started by Flagler County: http://www.flaglercounty.org/emergency_information/emergency_management/covid-19/pledge_to_prevent.php Shortly, this will hopefully prevent your need to call ahead. I intend to frequent the businesses that are willing to take the inexpensive, simple steps to ensure their customers health.
Masked Man says
Facts (check them out on the CDC website):
1) We’ve had a vaccine for H1N1 FLU for almost 10 years.
2) During to 2017-2018 FLU season approximately 60,000 Americans were killed by the H1N1 FLU virus.
3) During to 2018-2019 FLU season approximately 35,000 Americans were killed by the H1N1 FLU virus.
Question: To those of you who are now advocating for mandatory masks, why were YOU not wearing masks during the previous two FLU seasons? Why?
Mythoughts says
Thank you Pierre for this report and everything you wrote is so true. What is the Flagler County Officials, Palm Coast, and the Health Department waiting for or do they want everything to be shut down again for their lack of leadership in this growing virus in the State of Florida? I am shocked to see people in public places not wearing masks, these government agencies need to start doing their jobs, and safety of our community is one of their jobs.
Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump are both reckless and have been from the get-go, and they continue to be to day. DeSantis blamed it on more testing as Donald, DeSantis then blamed the people the picked vegetables, now he is blaming the young people. Hey DeSantis how about we blame you for following Donald’s orders and pretending the virus will go away if you both don’t talk about it.
You both have no business being in politics if you aren’t in the best interest of its people. Your ratings as well as Donald’s are gong down because of how you both handled this serious virus. Instead of just listening to Fox news try listening to other channels that are telling the truth.
You both sure will want everyone to go out and vote for you well start caring about the people that you want their votes.
Flagler County Officials, Palm Coast Officials, and the Health Department wise up and protect the citizens of Flagler County, do not wait until it is too late. After all please remember we pay your salaries.
Sara says
Amen !! Flagler County Officials please stand up for us
Sherry says
Why in world do people continue to argue that we should not do “the right thing” because there have also been other terrible things? Do they not understand how incredibly lame and idiotic they sound?
Don’t try and keep your neighbors alive and well from Covid 19 because people die from (NON-Contiguous) cancer or automobile accidents, or other viruses. . . when maybe we should have learned to wear masks. Should we never learn from past mistakes? Should we never try to do better? Don’t do anything about “Climate Change” because there was an ice age millions of years ago. Meaning, don’t learn and evolve and don’t try to make our people, our nation and the world a safer, better place for us all . . . because “other” bad things are happening, or have happened in the past. Really?
What kind of asinine logic is that? OR, are they just mindlessly copying and pasting from FOX again and again and again?
Those who continue to refuse to wear a mask and social distance can no longer claim ignorance. The vast majority of MEDICAL EXPERTS agree that we can lower the risk of spreading this extremely contagious and lethal virus by wearing a mask and social distancing in crowded public places.
Those who choose to follow “your” president into the gutter /the hospital/the morgue are showing yourselves. We all “see” you because you are “naked” without a mask. “Naked” of caring for others! “Naked” of compassion! “Naked” of community spirit! “Naked” of true Patriotism! You can fly your pseudo American flag till the cows come home, but all that flag waving doesn’t make you any kind of patriot unless you are willing to step up and take care of the health and well being of your neighbors!
hawkeye says
you know what really bothers me a lot about some of the people on this forum? There are a lot of people hurling out the insults which in my estimation makes their argument pointless and makes the insult hurlers look dumber than the ones they are trying to insult. I dont know if some of these commentators are really assholes or if they are just tough because they are hiding behind a keyboard. Either way I think it would be better if people were just more civil to each other whether on this forum or in public. The commentators who claim they are smarter than everyone else seem to be some of the worst offenders.And I wont get into any political affiliations or race or north -south,the rudeness seems to be all over.
Pogo says
@Ain’t it the truth
Some of the commenters are as bad as that hateful vicious talking pig – trump.
Gary R says
@Pogo – hawkeye quote: “There are a lot of people hurling out the insults which in my estimation makes their argument pointless and makes the insult hurlers look dumber than the ones they are trying to insult”.
Then you turn around and say “Ain’t it the truth”. Then call Trump a pig. Is that not an insult?
Pogo says
@Didn’t say my comment wasn’t an insult;
But it has the virtue of being true too. I DO apologize to any other hateful vicious pig who objects to being lumped together with trump.
For those who don’t drink the bleach or share trump’s malignant narcissism – here is an explanation of what afflicts so many of the pompous day traders/trumpsters who comment here:
http://critiques.us/index.php?title=Critiques_Of_Libertarianism
Quick relief!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpYCxV51bykhMY-wSUozQRg
Masked Man says
From the Encyclopedia Britannica – “Collectivism, any of several types of social organization in which the individual is seen as being subordinate to a social collectivity such as a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Collectivism may be contrasted with individualism (q.v.), in which the rights and interests of the individual are emphasized. . . . . Collectivism has found varying degrees of expression in the 20th century in such movements as socialism, communism, and fascism.”
Bill May says
Making masks mandatory?? What’s next?
William Moya says
Concentration camps for children, oh, wait, we already have those.
Sheila Zinkerman says
David Sedaris
Quote about walking in New York in a mask:
“Everywhere I go it smells the same, and it smells like my breath.”
Sweet.
Steve says
Wheres Kracken when you need him right
Masked Man says
I’ve heard that “back in the day” whenever a kid got chicken pox all the moms in the neighborhood would take their kid to that house so that they would get exposed. I’ve also heard people say our immune systems need exposure to bad things. Perhaps that’s why, some years ago, the experts advised us against using antibacterial soap – it kills both the good and the bad bacteria. My parents are 92 ans 83 years old and they have not left their home since this began. SMART! VERY SMART. For us otherwise healthy people who are distancing and masking – are we actually denying our immune systems the exposure required to develop antibodies? Are we, the healthy masked men, women and children, setting ourselves up to suffer horribly when the REALLY BIG BUG comes along? Are we?
Pogo says
Q: Are we?
A: No.
Gary R says
@Masked Man – You are correct about denying our immune system. George Carlin explains it Germs, Immune System https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
George Carlin was way ahead of its time.
Sherry says
Mia Culpa!!! Please understand that there is a group of us who are really exhausted and frustrated from almost 4 months of researching and posting actual FACTS. And, then “asking”and “pleading” again and again and again for our neighbors to put aside faulty political information and join us in doing all we can to keep one another safe and well.
All too often we are then faced with an entrenched mind set that continuously posts misleading information and illogical arguments in an attempt to justify needlessly endangering our lives, along with all the precious ones in our community.
Believe me, if I could find the words that would miraculously convince people to truly care for one another enough to do a very simple thing like wearing a mask and social distancing. I would climb up on my roof and shout out those MAGIC words, loud and clear.
Consider the possibility that IF we had a government (at every level) that was not corrupt, that was HONEST with us, and that provided us with clear LEADERSHIP based on FACTUAL information from MEDICAL EXPERTS, we would be much more united in understanding the best course of action. We could then have a cooperative path to doing what is best for our common interests. This scary hardship is dividing us and making us weaker in many, many different ways.
Our local commissioners and mayors “could” provide us with the leadership in this vacuum, but it appears they cannot even be bothered to require enforcement of the flimsy “guidelines” passed down from our very weak governor. No matter how you slice it and dice it, the number of people seriously affected (financially or health wise) by this virus are NOT going down substantially as they could be.
The question is. . . . what are “WE” willing to come together to do about it. . . because, we certainly can’t count on our government and unfortunately, we also cannot count on ALL of our neighbors to protect us.
MyTwoCents says
THANK YOU! Please say it louder for the people in the back. WE literally have to come together to SAVE one another, because our government has SHOWN us all that they are deliberately UNWILLING to do so.
Concerned Citizen says
As a maintenance technician servicing commercial properties in the area.
I applaud and support those who are wearing masks and other PPE. And it’s still your choice not to. But please for my sanity and my co-workers. Please stop dumping your masks,gloves,wipes and other PPE in busniesses parking lots. It’s unsightly and it’s littering. Put yourself in my place. Or the poor cashier who is sent out to clean the parking lot because there are piles of debris.
It’s not part of our job. it’s not job security or whatever other snide self serving remarks you might make. That’s just an asshat remark to make yourself feel self entitled. Gnerally what happens is enough crap gets thrown in a parking lot. Code Enforcement or the property manager sees it and files a complaint. Then it takes us away from regular duties in order to take care of your laziness. It’s actually littering by the way. And against the law. It’s just not enforced. Not to mention why would we want to handle your nasty stuff if you don’t?
Everyone has enough grocery bags around to throw a pile of them in your trunk. Or wherever. If you can’t dispose of PPE properly in a trash can then please wait till you get to your vehicle and bag it. Then toss in your own can. It’s not really that hard. Honest folks!!
We are finding this stuff not only on parking lots. But around our ponds and drainage systems. It’s not bidegradable. And it stays until picked up.
To put things in perspective. How would you like it if I rode by your house everyday. And tossed trash in your driveway? Probably not much I imagine. Treat our local busniesses and environment with the same respect.
Masked Man says
If Mayor Mel says everyone (I always do) has to a mask in public who will enforce that “law” and what will be the bond amount to get out of jail after your arrest? Or will it be akin to the red light cameras (a ZONING violation) with no force of law? And to all of you political activist, I could care less about your political views which are akin to you are saying to me that you consider your politics more important than the health of my family and myself. Take your politics to the poll and leave my family out of it.
Wait says
I’m confused…you want less regulation but more regulation? Those of us at risk or living with those at risk are staying away from public places and away from others. My 82 year old mother caught covid19 in a nursing home and after 6 positive tests and no symptoms she finally had 2 negative tests 14 days apart. She smoked from age 13 to 46 (she had a stroke at age 46 and never recovered). If she survived, when 19 others in her nursing home died and over 80 residents tested positive, I would call that miraculous. Doesn’t mean I’m going to go out gallivanting around where others could infect me. 51 non smoker, avid outdoors person. I won’t set foot in a store. Not only do I not want to get it, I do t want to transmit it (of somehow I’m a carrier). I’m claustrophobic and tried a mask on several times and just couldn’t do it. Does that make me evil, non caring? All of this political bs is driving us all insane.
Sherry says
@masked man. . . please do tell us all about your extensive credentials as a medical expert or epidemiologist, as we have over 120,000 precious souls who have been killed by this virus in the US alone. Thanks!
Sherry says
@Wait. . . . Thank you so much for at least trying to wear a mask. Wow, who would think even a paper mask could trigger claustrophobia. It must create quite the challenges in your life. Thank you also for limiting your time in crowded public places, and for understanding that even those without symptoms can be carriers. After reading despicable comments like those from Joe, I’m certainly wishing that more people in our community would think and act as reasonably as you appear to. Wishing you the best. Stay safe and healthy and thank you for doing your part in protecting us all.
Carole Brasfield says
I will not wear a mask in the car, and I will not wear a mask while walking in the neighbourhood or on the trails and I will not wear a mask at the beach….. I will wear mask in a store or a place that requires one…. but as soon as I hit the parking lot it is off. It bothers me about these masks …. how often are they changed and or cleaned? Having been a nurse for 45 years, I see a lot of breaks in techniques of mask wearing. Some I have seen are gross…and dirty and they can not be safe and the people around them can not be safe either… and wearing them under the nose does not really help keeping anyone safe and the masks are not effective when they are damp from being worn too long and yet everyone is critical about those not wearing a mask and they are probably the very people who trash the beaches and parking lots with their gross masks and gloves. I pretty much practice safe distancing and I believe sunshine and fresh air is nature’s way of staying well and staying healthy. If someone is not performing to your strict and controlling standards then stay away from them or stay home.
george says
Wearing masks plain sucks, simple as that! We’ll do what we have to do temporarily, but this better not become a permanent practice. Kids wearing masks all day at school is going to be a disaster, btw.
mark101 says
Make a mask mandatory. Come to think of it a business that opens following the guidelines has to wear mask, why to protect its customers. This just in; yesterday in central Fla a bar near the University of Central Florida has had its state alcoholic beverage license suspended for violating reopening guidelines. Awesome,. Its so simple, wear a little mask over your nose and mouth, protect yourself and others, . For those that refuse to wear a mask, when you infect someone you love and they end up in the hospital , where they are without family as you can’t visit them, and you find out you are positive, set back for a second and think., Maybe the mask would have prevented this. And if they pass, search deep for forgiveness
Tom says
Why doesn’t the Mayor do this?
TIRED OF THE GAMES says
you want a mask… WEAR one I will not…. this whole thing goes by by day after the November elections. When Woodstock was going on. 1,000,000 DIED from the Hong Kong Flu. The world was not shut down for that. Should never have shut down for this.
Don’t wear one and never will. I also have a compromised immune system thanks to Chemo therapy.. When God calls me home… My time is up.. until then I refuse to live in fear!
Free country says
Here you go again trying to tell me what to do. If you don’t like me not wearing a mask then keep yourself at home locked up and you won’t get infected. Isn’t that what they told us the first time. How many people got infected by a family member while locked up at home.
Lori says
I agree everyone should be wearing a mask. It should be mandatory all over the U.S. We had 5500 cases in Florida the other day. Even though we have the lowest amount of cases in Flagler county are you willing to risk it getting higher and higher? Most people in Palm Coast are not wearing masks or social distancing. Have you driven by the newly open Cantina Louie? The parking lot has been packed every day and they are parking across the street on the grass. There is no way there is social distancing going on in there. Wear a mask! Do you really want your parents, grandparents to get this because you were out and about without a mask on?
capt says
Well when these ” I will Not Wear A Mask people” get the virus, I hope you didn’t infect your children or wife if you have any, or your parents or any of your friends. And if one of them gets long term repercussions from the virus or one dies, think about it. What if !
Mythoughts says
Thank you Pierre for reporting the truth about what are our officials waiting for? Since this virus started we have witnessed Trump ignoring it and said it will disappear, we have watch DeSantis refusing to care about the safety of our communities which he took an oath to do. Now were are watching our county officials also ignoring their responsibilities of the safety of its citizens they too took an oath to protect. It is a very sad and pathetic time to witness the White House, the Governor of Florida and now county officials ignoring the safety of its citizens.
We have listened to many professional medical people proving that masks are a way of slowing down the spread of this virus and people refusing for their own selfish reasons not to. It is so pathetic to those that don’t care about the safety of others and we are witnessing it now.
Greta says
Read it at cdc .gov: Mask MAY prevent you from spreading the virus. Mask MAY prevent you from contact with the virus. MAY – not WILL. cdc’s words not mine.
Whathehck? says
Condoms and birth control pills MAY prevent pregnancy not WILL so why bother?
snapperhead says
We don’t need to listen to professional medical people. Just look at the results in numerous countries that have made masks mandatory in public venues, adequate testing and contact tracing. We’re incompetent on all 3 criteria.Of course Muricans think they’re smarter than the professionals who do this day in and day out. South Korea, a nation of over 50 million…less than 300 deaths and very temporary shut down of their economy( about 6 weeks). Meanwhile we’ve spent trillions on a half ass shutdown and cases and deaths are spiking again. Making Murica great again. Git-R-Dun 2020!
ken carter says
Totally agree, make masks mandatory.
Here’s a link to an article regarding what Fauci and other scientists are doing to keep safe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/how-fauci-5-other-health-specialists-deal-with-covid-19-risks-in-their-everyday-lives/2020/07/02/d4665ed6-b6fb-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html
palmcoaster says
Enough said, you are right Pierre. There is no worst blind that the one that refuses to see: https://www.wibw.com/2020/07/03/married-60-years-covid-claims-husband-wife-30-hours-apart/?fbclid=IwAR1Ia3sI5nE5FjCUSqeknnWplueYWNtEdNBeKkm1DUxrN8BGJfEjEdZ-VEo
Mark says
How about some comparative numbers attached to the facts that you claim are false. How many youngsters vs older people are showing up infected now. A spike on Sat? 1 new case on Sat in Flagler I believe? How about we take our cues from quacks like biden who thinks stopping travel from China (the source) is racist and a bad way to help stop the spread. Wearing a mask, should be a common sense thing not a government thing. Goggles should also be worn. The best would be a full face mask with bio filters. Nothing will be 100% protective. The racist Fox people are correct about the “race” problem in this country. How many years has Affirmative Action been used in this country? How many minorities are put ahead of whites in lines for college education, and jobs. There are and always will be instances of discrimination. But using said instances to take further control of the peons and to advance a leftist social agenda is unacceptable. Of course diverse opinions that diverge from yours won’t see the light of day because there is no fluff or BS allowed here.
lifeispain says
Masks and lockdowns only slow it down when health care if overwhelmed, and saves lives.. great!!!
HOWEVER, Everyone needs to accept… you will be getting this sooner or later no matter what, the damage to society is up to you!
Hammock Resident says
I totally agree. I do not feel safe in my local Publix with about 20 % of folks not wearing masks. Now that Palm Coast, Bunnell and Flagler Beach have made masks mandatory in public spaces, it is time for Flagler County to make masks mandatory in the unincorporated areas of the County. Masks reduce the risk but only if everyone is wearing them. I will start going to the Publix in Palm Coast if the Publix in the Hammock does not require folks to wear masks that enter the store. Lets hope within a short period of time, Flagler County Commissioners adopt the same policy, so masks are required throughout the County in public spaces. If infections are reduced by some amount, it is worth the inconvenience.
John says
Why aren’t churches included in the wearing of masks mandate? I was blown away with what I saw in our church this past weekend. The music prior to the sermon was great but the singers and instrumentalists were not wearing masks for obvious reasons. What I didn’t like was what I saw in the very first row closest to the stage, there was a family including adults and a number of children that were not wearing masks. Why don’t people realize that the coronavirus germs can spread in church just as much as it can in any other public gathering? I am wondering why the ushers didn’t seat these and other people without masks further back and away from the stage?