• Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar
MENUMENU
MENUMENU
  • Home
  • About
    • Contact Us
    • FlaglerLive Board of Directors
    • Comment Policy
    • Mission Statement
    • Our Values
    • Privacy Policy
  • Live Calendar
  • Submit Obituary
  • Submit an Event
  • Support FlaglerLive
  • Advertise on FlaglerLive (386) 503-3808
  • Search Results

FlaglerLive

No Bull, no Fluff, No Smudges

MENUMENU
  • Flagler
    • Flagler County Commission
    • Beverly Beach
    • Economic Development Council
    • Flagler History
    • Mondex/Daytona North
    • The Hammock
    • Tourist Development Council
  • Palm Coast
    • Palm Coast City Council
    • Palm Coast Crime
  • Bunnell
    • Bunnell City Commission
    • Bunnell Crime
  • Flagler Beach
    • Flagler Beach City Commission
    • Flagler Beach Crime
  • Cops/Courts
    • Circuit & County Court
    • Florida Supreme Court
    • Federal Courts
    • Flagler 911
    • Fire House
    • Flagler County Sheriff
    • Flagler Jail Bookings
    • Traffic Accidents
  • Rights & Liberties
    • Fourth Amendment
    • First Amendment
    • Privacy
    • Second Amendment
    • Seventh Amendment
    • Sixth Amendment
    • Sunshine Law
    • Third Amendment
    • Religion & Beliefs
    • Human Rights
    • Immigration
    • Labor Rights
    • 14th Amendment
    • Civil Rights
  • Schools
    • Adult Education
    • Belle Terre Elementary
    • Buddy Taylor Middle
    • Bunnell Elementary
    • Charter Schools
    • Daytona State College
    • Flagler County School Board
    • Flagler Palm Coast High School
    • Higher Education
    • Imagine School
    • Indian Trails Middle
    • Matanzas High School
    • Old Kings Elementary
    • Rymfire Elementary
    • Stetson University
    • Wadsworth Elementary
    • University of Florida/Florida State
  • Economy
    • Jobs & Unemployment
    • Business & Economy
    • Development & Sprawl
    • Leisure & Tourism
    • Local Business
    • Local Media
    • Real Estate & Development
    • Taxes
  • Commentary
    • The Conversation
    • Pierre Tristam
    • Diane Roberts
    • Guest Columns
    • Byblos
    • Editor's Blog
  • Culture
    • African American Cultural Society
    • Arts in Palm Coast & Flagler
    • Books
    • City Repertory Theatre
    • Flagler Auditorium
    • Flagler Playhouse
    • Flagler Youth Orchestra
    • Jacksonville Symphony Orchestra
    • Palm Coast Arts Foundation
    • Special Events
  • Elections 2024
    • Amendments and Referendums
    • Presidential Election
    • Campaign Finance
    • City Elections
    • Congressional
    • Constitutionals
    • Courts
    • Governor
    • Polls
    • Voting Rights
  • Florida
    • Federal Politics
    • Florida History
    • Florida Legislature
    • Florida Legislature
    • Ron DeSantis
  • Health & Society
    • Flagler County Health Department
    • Ask the Doctor Column
    • Health Care
    • Health Care Business
    • Covid-19
    • Children and Families
    • Medicaid and Medicare
    • Mental Health
    • Poverty
    • Violence
  • All Else
    • Daily Briefing
    • Americana
    • Obituaries
    • News Briefs
    • Weather and Climate
    • Wildlife

State Raises Objections to Flagler Beach’s ‘Black Hole’ of Data About Veranda Bay as County Repeats Concerns

December 19, 2024 | FlaglerLive | 8 Comments

Construction at Veranda Bay, which has vested approval for 451 homes. (© FlaglerLive)
Construction at Veranda Bay, which has vested approval for 451 homes. (© FlaglerLive)

Flagler Beach’s proposed annexation of Veranda Bay, the planned 2,400-home development along John Anderson Highway, is facing yet more obstacles in addition to an opposition group’s threat to sue. State agencies tasked by law with reviewing the city’s planned amendment to its land-use rules to accommodate the development have raised objections, citing a lack of data.

Flagler County is echoing some of the criticism–not because the county wants to stop the annexation. It does not. But because it is raising cautions about what County Attorney Al Hadeed is calling a “black hole” of information.




Flagler Beach is in the midst of complicated regulatory steps to annex the 900 acres of Veranda Bay. One of those steps is an amendment to the city’s so-called Comprehensive Plan. The comp plan, for short, is every local government’s blueprint for long-term development. Comp plans are enormous documents developed with care and deliberation only every so many years. Palm Coast just updated its own plan. Governments are expected to respect their plans, or else amend them when faced with what they consider to be an allowable change, like a development–as was the case with Veranda Bay.

But a comp plan amendment must be transmitted to state agencies for review. Flagler Beach approved its comp plan amendment on first reading in late October and transmitted the amendment to state agencies, as required. (See: “‘Significant Reservations’ About Approving 2,735 Homes at Veranda Bay as Development Advances on 4-1 Vote.”)

The response was not what the city wanted to hear.

“All of them, every one of them questioned what the city was doing because they had not submitted data and analysis or plans about how they were going to handle that urban area,” Hadeed said, summarizing the response to Flagler County commissioners earlier this week. “So in the land use planning process, it’s like a black hole because they have not addressed it. That includes the Florida Department of Transportation, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection,” and the Department of Commerce. “There’s no planning that we’ve seen, nothing that we’ve seen–how are they going to provide the services?”




The city was supposed to provide a feasibility study to the county. “They have not furnished that study,” Hadeed said. “The feasibility study would likely, or should have addressed these kinds of issues. So there is a bit of a planning gap. Now, is it for us to tell them–Look, you’re not doing good planning? All we can do is provide our best advice. They are free to make their decision, and they have to live by the consequences of those decisions.”

The developer is not involved at that point. The transmittals are strictly between city and state. The Florida Department of Commerce sent the objections to the city on Dec. 6. The proposed amendment, the state’s Bureau of Community Planning and Growth found, is “not supported with adequate data and analysis” showing that public facility improvements have been identified and included in the comprehensive plan. “The amendment is not based upon surveys studies and data regarding the amendment site, including the availability of order supplies public facilities, transportation, infrastructure and services as required” by law, the bureau found.

More specifically, the state found that the plan does not have “accurate data and analysis of how stormwater flows will affect the proposed development.” It does not adequately identify improvements necessary to the city’s drinkable water. It does not “address current or future capacity for the School District” to accommodate new inflows of students. It does not “adequately identify all potentially impacted roadways” with proper analysis and data, or what improvements may be necessary to maintain road-quality standards.

The state has no outright enforcement mechanism. It merely makes recommendations. It did so in its response, urging the city to address the lack of data before it approves the comprehensive plan in a final reading of the ordinance, as the City Commission is expected to do in January.




The county has had its own concerns, focused on two matters. The first is the protection of the headwaters of Bulow Creek. The county, led by Commission Chair Andy Dance, has repeatedly urged the city top ensure that protection is written into future plans, because, as Dance put it, the government gets only one shot at getting it right. The second matter has been the ownership of John Anderson Highway, which cleaves Veranda Bay, The county would prefer that the city take ownership. The city has so far declined. The enclave issue that recently surfaced is not of concern to the county, in the sense that the county will work with the city to resolve it. But the other issues linger. Paired with the state’s response, the county is voicing concerns.

“In the various comments you’ve made to us over a period of time now,” Hadeed told county commissioners, “you’ve been concerned about the accountability of this project relative to good growth management principles. I think that’s a good summary, like an umbrella over all of it.” He cited Bulow Creek and the rules the city would have to abide by–rules the county conveyed to the city. “If they do this, it will help protect Bulow Creek. But to this point in time, while we have been asking them to make that an express condition, just like you would in any development order–you must do A, B and C–they have not done that yet. Will they do it? I don’t know, but it’s not in the paperwork. It’s not in the plan today.”

The county has also raised more targeted questions about the development’s impact on roads beyond John Anderson Highway. But it’s not in the county administration’s purview to call Flagler Beach officials and ask them to get any of those things done, Hadeed said. That’s more of a dialogue at the official, policy-making level, between elected officials.

It’s the same issue with John Anderson Road, which the county cannot force the city to take over. “Can we compel them to do that? No, we can’t compel them do that,” Hadeed said. “I would think that good government would lead them to do it.” (The county’s list of concerns is comprehensively addressed in a Dec. 4 memo from Assistant County Attorney Sean Moylan.)




The enclave issue, in comparison, is not as complicated. There are eight parcels that would remain in the county’s jurisdiction, in the middle of the city, if annexation goes ahead. State law forbids the creation of such enclaves. The attorney representing Preserve Flagler Beach and Bulow Creek, the non-profit opposing annexation, has issues a letter to the city essentially threatening legal action if annexation proceeds. The city commission tabled the matter to study the threat and weigh its options.

The county and the city can sign a joint agreement that would circumvent the issue by forcing annexation of the parcels into the city. That appears to be the only option, if the opposition does not indemnify the city on that count.

“We are expecting that we will do that interlocal,” Hadeed said of the joint agreement, “should you annex.”

“I heard you loud and clear, Mr. Hadeed, I’m not going to take my foot off the pedal,” Commissioner Kim Carney said, echoing the words of fellow-Commissioner Leann Pennington. “I just see all kinds of problems with this, not just because I live there. It’s not good for our county. I would like to see more happening in between the two governments.”

Support FlaglerLive's End of Year Fundraiser
Thank you readers for getting us to--and past--our year-end fund-raising goal yet again. It’s a bracing way to mark our 15th year at FlaglerLive. Our donors are just a fraction of the 25,000 readers who seek us out for the best-reported, most timely, trustworthy, and independent local news site anywhere, without paywall. FlaglerLive is free. Fighting misinformation and keeping democracy in the sunshine 365/7/24 isn’t free. Take a brief moment, become a champion of fearless, enlightening journalism. Any amount helps. We’re a 501(c)(3) non-profit news organization. Donations are tax deductible.  
You may donate openly or anonymously.
We like Zeffy (no fees), but if you prefer to use PayPal, click here.

Reader Interactions

Comments

  1. Keep Flagler Beautiful says

    December 19, 2024 at 12:52 pm

    Since the first day I heard about this proposed development, I’ve been saying it will create its own flood zone and will have an extremely serious and negative effect on surrounding areas, as well. Those of us who live in the area know it. Anytime a developer has to truck in dirt to raise the level on which a development is built, it’s a red flag. Veranda Bay never should have been approved.

    24
  2. Pogo says

    December 19, 2024 at 1:23 pm

    @Just tell the nitpickers

    … you have a concept of the information — a bigly, beautiful concept.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    2
  3. XYZ says

    December 19, 2024 at 7:59 pm

    And this is why we have flooding of homes in PC, student flight school
    mills flying over communities, businesses, high school , hospital, not
    one official who passed these agendas or allowed for the irresponsible
    overdevelopment did not care about safety,traffic issues, quality of life
    issues, poor infrastructure , did not cooperate with recommendations in
    Master Plans such as noise studies, used old land use maps to get federal
    funding, some of these people don’t even live in PC anymore or resigned
    from their positions, dirty politics only interested in power and or money. We
    need to stay on top of everything they vote for and weed out the
    ones who perpetuate this kind of madness.

    7
  4. Mud Rucker says

    December 19, 2024 at 10:03 pm

    And just like that, that board of five will be the ones who ultimately destroy Flagler Beach. All for what, more BK clients and more slurpee sales? Pigs

    4
  5. Lois says

    December 20, 2024 at 5:18 am

    For sure we are in the planning stage of getting out of here. Life quality, and traffic is driving us to get out of the area. Out house will be up for sale sometime in January.

    3
  6. John Anderson resident says

    December 20, 2024 at 11:37 am

    Here’s my suggestion:
    FB annex only the East side of JA & develop that side as planned.
    For all of the West side: Lets all pool together to get that land designated as CONSERVATION with the help from the city of Flagler Beach, the county of Flagler AND THE GOVENOR. Ron has ties to Flagler county & Palm Coast. He knows the area. If I had the money to buy that land, I would & give it to the state to forever preserve the way it is.

    7
  7. exasperated says

    December 21, 2024 at 5:29 am

    If you have any interest in Flagler Beach please read the links.

    https://flaglerlive.com/veranda-bay-courtship/
    This article is about the Commission rescinding an Ordinance created by the citizens of Flagler Beach that gave them the right to vote on any annexation over 5 percent.
    So instead of the citizens voting on an annexation. the five members of the Commission will decide it for them.
    It also mentions that if they don’t approve the ordinance there will be high rises on the other side. Flagler Beach’s height limit is in the Charter and can be changed anytime by a vote of citizens of Flagler Beach.

    https://flaglerlive.com/contrary-to-flagler-beachs-impressions/
    Flagler Beach Commissioners were acting under the false impression the developer gave them that Palm Coast was going to annex.
    Jason DeLorenzo, the chief of staff in the Palm Coast city administration’ “it is categorically not true that we asked them or pursued annexation. They came to us, because that’s how annexation works. You don’t ask someone to annex. They petition for annexation.”

    https://flaglerlive.com/veranda-bay-annexation/
    The annexation will double the size of Flagler Beach and a reason to annex it is that Flagler Beach will have control of that area or that area will have control of Flagler Beach.

    https://flaglerlive.com/flagler-beach-prepares-to-annex/
    Some opposition to the proposed annexation developed.

    https://flaglerlive.com/veranda-bay-annexation-hurdles/
    PCI overseeing what is now known as the Veranda Bay development loses SLAPP lawsuit.
    “Since 2000, Florida law has prohibited the filing of ‘Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation,’ or so-called ‘SLAPP’ suits against individuals or entities for exercising their constitutional right to seek redress for grievances before a governmental entity,” wrote Circuit Judge Chris France.

    https://flaglerlive.com/veranda-bay-advances/
    Some Commissioners have reservations of adding 2735 homes to Flagler Beach others don’t.

    https://flaglerlive.com/veranda-bay-lower/
    There are some great quotes in this one: “because there’s more people, and when there’s more people, you attract more commercial”, “Clipping their wings too much”, “Here we finally get a really good source of revenue”, “The old adage of growth pays for itself has been debunked so many times over in the last 20 years”, “if we could just put some language about flooding, then I think we’d be happy”,
    https://flaglerlive.com/threat-of-lawsuit-over-enclave/
    The number of homes is lowered to 2400 but because the annexation would create an enclave it would make the annexation illegal.

    https://flaglerlive.com/veranda-bay-annexation-tables/
    Due to the lawsuit the annexation is tabled.

    https://flaglerlive.com/state-raises-objections/
    The State of Florida and the County raised objections.

    “All of them, every one of them questioned what the city was doing because they had not submitted data and analysis or plans about how they were going to handle that urban area,” Hadeed said, summarizing the response to Flagler County commissioners earlier this week. “So in the land use planning process, it’s like a black hole because they have not addressed it. That includes the Florida Department of Transportation, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection,” and the Department of Commerce. “There’s no planning that we’ve seen, nothing that we’ve seen–how are they going to provide the services?”

    4
  8. Shark says

    December 24, 2024 at 6:55 am

    Meatball could care less about Flagler County

    1

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

  • Conner Bosch law attorneys lawyers offices palm coast flagler county
  • grand living realty
  • politis matovina attorneys for justice personal injury law auto truck accidents

Primary Sidebar

  • grand living realty
  • politis matovina attorneys for justice personal injury law auto truck accidents

Recent Comments

  • Enough is enough on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Nephew Of Uncle Sam on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Dakota on Palm Coast City Attorney Calls Mayor Norris ‘Unprofessional and Inappropriate’ 3 Weeks After Censure for Similar Behavior
  • Jaii Hein on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Laurie Jo Jo Bergman on Margaritaville’s Compass Hotel in Flagler Beach Opens in Buffett-Themed Celebration of a Downtown Remade
  • Kat on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Critical Eye on Palm Coast City Attorney Calls Mayor Norris ‘Unprofessional and Inappropriate’ 3 Weeks After Censure for Similar Behavior
  • JimboXYZ on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Grey Man on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • NJ on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Dave on Margaritaville’s Compass Hotel in Flagler Beach Opens in Buffett-Themed Celebration of a Downtown Remade
  • Canary on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • Canary on Palm Coast City Attorney Calls Mayor Norris ‘Unprofessional and Inappropriate’ 3 Weeks After Censure for Similar Behavior
  • More Blondes on Afrikaners are South African Opportunists, Not Refugees
  • America First on Danko No Longer District Director for Randy Fine; Congressman Calls for Nuking Gaza’s 2 Million Palestinians
  • No political affiliation on Palm Coast’s Golden Chopsticks Buffet Open Again 2 Days After Sanitation Inspection Ordered It Closed

Log in