Bunnell City Manager Armando Martinez was jazzed up after the city hosted a “Day of Prayer” on the steps of its old city hall two weeks ago. He wanted to go further. “I’m going to recommend to the city commission that this Thursday every year becomes God’s City Day in Bunnell,” Martinez said.
“I have to talk to him,” Sid Nowell, Bunnell’s attorney, said, when hearing the quote. “We have to be careful that we don’t cross the line when it comes to the separation of church and state. Quite frankly I don’t know what that means—God’s City Day. I’d have to ask him, if that’s what he said, that comes pretty close to crossing the line separating church and state.”
- Bunnell’s Prayer Day Proclamation
- Bunnell Puts Its Stamp on Day of Prayer While Another Group Marks “Day of Inclusivity”
- District Court Opinion Declaring the Day of Prayer Unconstitutional
- Seventh Circuit Appeals Court Opinion Overruling District Court
- Harry Truman’s National Day of Prayer Proclamation, 1952
- Barack Obama’s Day of Prayer Proclamation, 2010
- Barack Obama’s Day of Prayer Proclamation, 2011
- Americans United for Separation of Church and State
- Flagler “Day of Inclusivity” Answers National Day of Prayer
Nowell did talk to him. The result is a somewhat toned down city proclamation that declares every first Thursday of May a “city of Bunnell day of prayer,” and does so “in humble acknowledgement of our dependence upon God for wisdom, courage and power,” while being “thankful for the liberty that allows people of all faiths to worship or not worship according to the dictates of their conscience.” The proclamation, which appears on the city’s agenda for approval at next Monday’s meeting (May 23), would bear Mayor Catherine Robinson’s signature and that of the city clerk and the city’s seal. Robinson asks Bunnell’s citizens “to join me in giving thanks for the many blessings we enjoy, and I ask all people of faith to join me in asking God for guidance, mercy, and protection for our city.”
Robinson hadn’t seen the proclamation when she was asked about it on Wednesday, but was aware that Martinez was preparing it. (Martinez has been off duty for several days, recovering from shoulder surgery. He was hospitalized again briefly late last week after suffering chest pains.) The notion of a day of prayer in the city had its origin with a suggestion by John Rogers, the newest member of the commission, who approached Martinez last month and asked him whether the city was marking the day of prayer. Martinez was only too happy to curry favor with Rogers, who’s been a critic of the city manager. The day of prayer idea took off, and has evolved into the proposed proclamation.
The proclamation drew a rebuke from Rabbi Merrill Shapiro, who chairs the Flagler Area Ministerial Association and is the president of Flagler County Americans United for Separation of Church and State. “As Americans,” Shapiro wrote Robinson on Wednesday, “the good people of Bunnell have the right to pray for whomever they want, whenever they want and in what manner they like. The good people of Bunnell don’t need an officially designated city government proclamation to do that. Bunnell citizens are free to engage in worship whenever they want. Allowing the Bunnell City government to set aside certain days for prayer and worship implies that the city government has some say over the religious lives of the city when it does not. It is simply not the business of the Commissioners of the City of Bunnell to advise when, if and how people pray.”
The day of prayer has been litigated. A federal district judge in Wisconsin declared it unconstitutional last year. But last month an appeals court overruled the decision on grounds that the group that filed the suit—the Freedom from Religion Foundation—had no standing to sue. The merits of the case, in other words, were set aside over a procedural issue.
With one exception, there is little opposition to Bunnell’s seal on a day of prayer on the city commission. “I have no problem with it,” Jenny Crain-Brady, the vice mayor, said about Martinez’s original idea of a “God City Day” when asked about it last week, though she qualified its application with the city. “I don’t know the logistics of it. I don’t know if you can even do that. If you can, you know how I feel, I love the lord, I think every day should be the national day of prayer.” Commissioner Daisy Henry, a pastor, is a member of the city-sponsored Alliance of Involved Ministries and had helped organize the day of prayer, which Robinson supported. And Rogers originated the whole thing.
The lone dissenter is Commissioner Elbert Tucker, who, asked about Martinez’s initiative, immediately grabbed a copy of the U.S. Constitution and turned to the First Amendment, reading the Establishment clause out loud (“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”).
Bunnell’s proclamation, while unique among local governments in Flagler County—which steer clear of religious dabbling—closely paraphrases those of President Truman and subsequent presidents, including Barack Obama, who have issued the proclamations almost annually since Truman’s first in 1952. That year Truman signed a bill compelling each president to declare an annual national day of prayer on the day of his choice. Various presidents have interpreted the day differently. More conservative presidents, including both Bushes and Ronald Reagan, commemorated the day with events at the White House. More liberal presidents, including Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, have issued the proclamation and left it at that.
The proclamations nod to multi-denominational observance but are unmistakably Christian in tone, intent and origin.
The National Day of Prayer has its origins in the Cold War, when politicians often contrasted American faith with Soviet communism’s official atheism, and more particularly with Billy Graham. In 1952, the evangelist led a six-week religious campaign in Washington, culminating on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on Feb. 7—at the invitation of Sam Rayburn, the powerful Speaker of the House—with a speech in which Graham said: “What a thrilling, glorious thing it would be to see the leaders of our country today kneeling before almighty God in prayer. What a thrill would sweep this country. What renewed hope and courage would grip the Americans at this hour of peril.” The following day, the aptly named James Percy Priest, a Democratic congressman from Tennessee, introduced a bill that would set an annual day of prayer. Absalom Roberson, the Democratic senator from Virginia—named for the biblical son of David—filed a companion bill, which both chambers approved and Truman signed in April.
Nothing worse than mixing politics with religion. That’s a hell of a potion! Keep Church and State separate.
Dan Cooper says
You know, Martinez, Its easy to love God when you are making 90K a year as City Mananger in our little broke ass town here in Bunnell. How about a “Day of Job Fairs” or managing something that has to do with the city of Bunnell. You have failed with The Police Department, The water issues in the retiree trailer park, and you keep tearing out the medians because you can’t see to put an irrigation system in there. You should be ashamed of yourself. Oh and by the way, l”ets cut the school hours anjd budget so we can lay-of more teachers t5hat don’t even make a third of what you are scamming! Then buy a really expensive brand new garbage truck and still make people get Post Office boxes for their mail in town. You are a MORON and shouldn’t be mananging anything City Manager my ass!
The Piranha says
Dan Cooper, It would seem you have some anger built up inside or know Martinez extremely well because I couldn’t have said that better myself! A look back in this media outlet and you will find his contract that either an idiot or friend would allow. Didn’t Bunnell just lose the DOT contract totaling approximately 60% in budget cuts for the next fiscal year? It would seem to reason that he pray and hope that it is not the man downstairs whose listening. Hark the Herald Angels sing, getting rid of Martinez has a wonderful ring!
This is FUNNY One would think, that John Rogers suggested this considering the tactics he used to get in office. Whats even funnier is that I would think it would be John Rogers trying to get in good with the other comissioners, yet it is manager Martinez, who is wearing that brown stripe on his nose: “Martinez was only too happy to curry favor with Rogers, who’s been a critic of the city manager.”
I would like to take pains to disassociate my relationship with the Flagler Area Ministerial Association and this issue. In no way have I been representing FAMA or the opinion of any FAMA member on issues related to the separation of church and state.
I would hasten to note that during a soul-searching discussion at the most recent regularly-scheduled meeting of the Flagler Area Ministerial Association, we accepted the beginning of a formulation we feel important to accept as leaders and emulative examples in our community: We can agree to disagree without being disagreeable! In order for much needed civil discourse to continue in our community, we must accept our differences, not personalize our differences, not demonize those with whom we differ and accept every human being as a creation in the image of God (we are, after all, members of the clergy!). That’s the FAMA part of my comment. The next post will respond to the content of this excellent article!
Please note that the many members of the clergy associated with Americans United for Separation of Church and State–our CEO is an ordained minister, 20% of our Board of Trustees are clergy, 20% of our National Advisory Council–hope that City of Bunnell has 365 days of prayer each year except Leap Years when we hope that there would be 366 days of prayer! Our objection is with the involvement of the government.
Surely there are members of the clergy in the City of Bunnell who can create day or days of prayer and lean on God, rely on God’s strength, wisdom and discernment to create days of prayer rather than relying on the government to do it for them. Somewhere, religious leaders must be found who will “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s!”
The genuine Conservatives in our community feel that government is already much too intrusive. Government tells us what kinds of signs we can put in front of our homes, how fast we can operate our boats on the intracoastal, what our kids should be taught in schools and even tries to regulate some of our behavior in our own bedrooms! Those genuine Conservatives, when confronted by a government who thinks it should tell us when and how to pray are crying out : Enough is Enough!
We need less government, not more. We need a government that will respond to our needs, use its taxing and law-making powers to our advantage, help our community to grow and prosper–not to tell us-or even suggest to us–when we should pray!
To respond first of all to some previous comments @Jojo I think we need more of God in our politics (politicians) and maybe this country wouldn’t be in such a mess. @Dan, let him without sin cast the first stone. @Piranha, you should get your facts straight first. @surprised, I’d like to know what tactics your referring too, and he shouldn’t try to gain favor with anyone. His job as Commissioner is to find out facts, research and do what’s best for this city and the citizens in it. @Merrill, you just straight up need Jesus. Any man of God should have NO problem coming together and praying! No matter where it may take place. Men and women should be praying on their own and the Government by designating a National day of Prayer isn’t telling us where, when or how to pray, but a true man of God knows there is power in unity, so let’s come together and pray, this country can’t be no worse off, this world needs Jesus! It’s ok for people to hold Abortion Rallies or Gay Rights and so on and that’s ok! Well I don’t like those kinds of things why should we have to be subjected to that. I don’t go! If you or anyone else don’t want to pray than STAY HOME!
Haw Creek Girl says
I guess I am a simpleton on this one but if the whole city commission, city manager and the entire population of the City of Bunnell wears that brown stripe on our nose for Jesus then I say “Just Do It” Can I get an amen in here?
Haw Creek Girl says
Oh, and one more thing, Martinez, Crain-Brady, Rogers, Henry or Tucker or Robinson didn’t start it. This article claims Truman did. In fact, I think actually it all began on a hill called Calvary.
Val Jaffee says
That’s what happens when we now have government that’s “too big to fail”. Now we have to prop up their big salaries, corruption, redundancies, screw-ups, and stupidity just like we do Wall Street. What do we get for it? An ever increasing and intrusive government spying on our every move and censoring and restricting how we should live.
Government and religion are very much alike – that’s why politicians love to tout their religiosity and use it to justify their agendas. Nothing like instilling fear and empty promises of great riches and a better and brighter tomorrow as a means of convincing people to get them on your side to do your bidding while robbing them blind!
Martinez is not alone. Last year it was GA’s governor holding public days of prayer for rain during an unusual dry spell. No rain came! And of course it was the people’s fault! – the people did not want it enough, they were not genuine in their prayers, their faith was not strong, etc, etc.
Now Martinez can do the same with his day of prayer. Pray for jobs, and a decent life, and if those prayers aren’t answered, he can always blame the people too! Yes Martinez, try telling that to the folks – we might very well end up with one less high income gov’t job.
I’ll wear a brown stripe for Jesus any day! Only Jesus!
Did it cross your mind that people who can be called men or women “of God” don’t necessarily “need Jesus”? There are many many non Christian religious leaders in the world who live exemplary lives in the focus of their faith. One of the problems I noticed in the reporting of the day of prayer event in Bunnell was that to them, all denominations were welcome as long as they were subsets of Christianity.
Keep your imaginary sky god out of my business paid for by taxes. It has no place there. Worship your imaginary friend on your dime.
Haw Creek Girl says
I appreciate the scholars among us who write such indepth analysis of the financial impact, the state of the country, the level of government and the decline of the dollar. However, if we go back to what every single American issued dollar says, “In God we trust” then we could in fact, also trust in the dollar.
Let me say it once more, Keep Church and State separate. The Bible Belt has a hard time interpreting the Bible and the Constitution at the same time. If you pay the Pied Piper you have a right to listen to your tune – on your time.
Allow me to educate you. The part about religion in the First Amendment was written to prevent the new Federal Government from forming a national religion and to grant us religious freedom. The Constitution is SILENT about the separation of church and state. The original separation decision was not based on law or any of the documents regarding the ratification debates. Instead the original Justice Jay read from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to a Baptist minister in Danbury CT in which Jefferson used the phrase “separation of church and state.” At that time, two of the original states had designated official religions, Connecticut and Virginia , they also collected taxes to support those churches. The Baptists wanted Federal intervention to forbid Connecticut from collecting funds for the Congregationalists. Jefferson’s letter basically expressed his sympathy but did not bring about any action. This letter, to this date, has no weight in law and the entire issue should be null and void. Official state religions were also an English and European thing. That erroneous decision by the Supreme Court has been used by all kinds of activists for various reasons to silence public religious discourse. Oh, and BTW, Article 3 of the Constitution never empowered SC Justices to “interpret” the Constitution. That is a power they took on themselves and nobody has had the fortitude to stop them. In my humble opinion, the Constitution is written in clear and unambiguous language and needs no interpretation.
The City of Bunnell is encouraging people of faith to join together in a day of prayer. The City is not endorsing or forcing any religious beliefs on the citizens of Bunnell. It’s just to get us to talk to God as we seen Him. Ain’t no separation necessary.
Haw Creek, Yeah, with Mason taboos all over it too,
@Will they are welcomed to be there. But to answer your question, the Bible says that the only way to the Father(God) is through Jesus! So no you can’t get to God without Jesus, some people have a god that they may believe in, but there is only 1 true God!
And I don’t know where any of you get off complaining about your tax paying dollars cause it didn’t cost you a dime, there is a price you are paying but it is not in the form of money, it’s costing you Eternally.
@jojo, I’d like to know what you mean by Mason taboos?
God and country people just need to complain. The hard working employees of the City work hard for the residents. What does a garbage truck have to do with a day of prayer.!By the way there is no rate increase for us residents and the city never looked cleaner. Trucks are expensive but i bet your not complaining about your new trash cans. It’s a two person operation and the city looks clean. So how about you start praying and just wish a good city manager like Martinez gets your city through the hard times. Pray my friend simply just pray, oh yea pay taxes too…………..
You will never see the dollar bill the same Godsgirl?
Jojo, I wanted to confirm that the Masons, Freemasons, Illuminati was what you were referring too! Most people don’t realize that the Masons are a cult! And it is growing so rampedly lately and there are ALOT of “Christians” who fall prey to it due to the psycho babble they try to fill you with. God has really placed this on my heart seeing how my Father at one time was in the Masons but thank God he got out of it, but there was a price that was paid from all those “secret oaths” spoken over his life & his family. I want peoples eyes (spiritual eyes) to be opened to this and see it for what it is a CULT! All the more reason we need prayer in this country more than ever not step back and be quiet and separate church & state, it’s time for real men and women of God to step up! I want to thank you for the link I knew a lot of that but I learned some things too, so thank you for that. There are quite a few people that I’d like to share that with, help their eyes to be opened. Any more links you know of feel free to share.
Where there is Light there can be no darkness.
Godsgirl said “, the Bible says that the only way to the Father(God) is through Jesus! So no you can’t get to God without Jesus, some people have a god that they may believe in, but there is only 1 true God!”
You see things your way and others see things their ways. Just because you, or the bible, says what you said above, it doesn’t mean it’s true. And quoting bible verses can’t prove truth, no matter how often you repeat them. Other religions have their truths as they see them too. Follow yours as you will, but don’t be sure yours is the only one that’s right. My bet is that we’ll all get there together – or not.
Haw Creek Girl says
I am well aware of the Mason symbolism and while I don’t agree with secretive doctrine that dictates the Masonic Right, it is their right as Americans to express their beliefs as well. I feel strongly that God can and does handle the Masons. In fact, the Masons call themselves a Christian group for the most part. I don’t agree that they are but they believe they are. So, if think they are God based, it’s a bit less harmless in my eyes. Only a bit however, I consider the Masonic Right and LDS, etc to be misdirected cults.
@dan cooper – What does the city have to do with school hours and teacher layoffs? Contact your School Board member to address your concern. What does the city have to do with getting your mail at the post office? Go talk to the Postmaster to get your mail delivered at your home like the rest of the residents did. As far as the garbage, whoever did the garbage before was awful and I am glad the City took over service. So far they have done a great job! Talk about a moron…maybe your should know what you are talking about before opening the pie hole.
The Piranha says
PJ, Do you honestly believe that Martinez is a good city manager? Do you know about his past while in Miami Dade? Did you see all the hiring/promoting/firing/resignations and arrests of the police officers he was responsible for while police chief (and still is)? It may be time to take your head out of the sand for some fresh air. This seems like another attempt to cozy up “behind” those who should know him better.
I know that the Roman Catholic Church issued a warning to Catholics not to hold office or membership in the Masons or you will be excommunicated. Strong edict but anybody know why?
Will I’ve had too many miracles and experiences in my life to prove otherwise. I’ll be praying your eyes be opened.
Jojo said “I know that the Roman Catholic Church issued a warning to Catholics not to hold office or membership in the Masons or you will be excommunicated.”
I don’t know all the history, but an old friend who was a 33rd degree Mason (that’s pretty high up) and a Roman Catholic just died. He was never excommunicated and went to mass.
He got flack from time to time but stood up to it. The RC church may not be consistent on that subject.
To Haw Creek about misdirected cults.. Some of my Masonic, Mormon, Methodist and RC friends, among others, might feel that independent pentacostal or baptist born again congregatons might be misdirected cults too.
If you’re sure your path to God is the right one, then good for you. Have comfort in that, but don’t denigrate others’ beliefs along the way. Live and let live regarding your neighbor’s way of worship – or lack of worship.
To Will, I didn’t ask for a lecture or, as they say, a song and a dance. If you don’t know the reason just say so.
You go off into tangents and assume I am denigrating others beliefs. That’s not what I said or implied?
You even quoted me, “Jojo said [ “I know that the Roman Catholic Church issued a warning to Catholics not to hold office or membership in the Masons or you will be excommunicated.”] ”
You left off, “Strong edict but anybody know why?”
Haw Creek Girl says
Will, I agree with you to some extent but I do want to clarify that I am not Pentacostal or Baptist. My God is only the God the Bible speaks of so if I am misdirected then it’s merely by a book and my interpretation of it and not what man or the “church” tells me. Based on my beliefs, as my previous post plainly stated ” I consider the Masonic Right and LDS, etc to be misdirected cults.” That means after I have considered the facts for myself, I choose to believe that. I didn’t write that my “church” whether it be RC, Pentacostal or Methodist advises against or believes so….I said after my consideration. I have a 23 year old son in Afghanistan who has nearly given his life many several times in the last 6 months and has seen several loose thiers for my right to consider the facts and form my opinion and post it here for that matter. So, as my Bible Joshua 24:15 says, ” But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
Sorry Will but those of us who live according to the Word of God, which is truth, we are not suppose to stay quiet! The Word says Go into all the world and spread the gospel. Our heart should be the same as that of Jesus, a heart of compassion, a heart for the lost. It’s time that men and women of God start speaking out and stop being quiet.
And I’m sure the Masons, Mormons, etc might say we are a cult but that’s usually because those who are not living by the Word of God tend to point fingers and find fault in those who are.
Haw Creek Girl, Masons call themselves “Christians” because you do have to believe in something, they don’t care who or what that is. It can be Buddha, Mohammed, etc, as long as you believe in something. You know that there is only ONE God and there is only one way to Him and that’s through Jesus Christ. That’s how a lot of Christians fall into their lies. Everything about them is a mockery of God. From their Lodges, to their secret society, oaths they speak over their lives, etc. The Bible says everything done in secret will be brought to light!
Time to wake up and rise up, it’s not time to be quiet and laid back down!
Jojo here’s your answer:
My father was a Mason for over 50 years. He was also a Shriner.
I am the only person in my family that converted to Roman Catholicism. My father disowned me the day I announced that I was being baptized as a Catholic.
I am a Knight of Columbus.
Until very recently, if any Catholic joined the Mason’s, he was automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church. This is because, until very recently, the Masons were virulently anti-Catholic.
In the 1980’s, the automatic excommunication for any Catholic that joined the Mason’s was removed. The Church still strongly advises against any Roman Catholic joining the Masonic Orders. But, unless one actively works against the Church, it will no longer automatically result in excommunication.
BUT, one may NEVER be a member of both the Masonic Orders and the Knights of Columbus. If one is, then you are violating the oath you have taken in order to become a Knight. You have also demonstrated, in the most obvious way, that you do NOT support the Catholic Church by joining such an organization.
It does not matter what some other Knight, Priest, Brother, Nun, etc. may tell you in their ignorance. I have had various Priests, etc. tell me many things over the past 60 plus years that were in error. There are Priests that also do not follow the solemn vows they took upon ordination. That doesn’t make them right, does it? Any more than telling you that you can belong to both organizations is correct.
The simple fact is, that the Knight’s of Columbus, as an organization, very specifically prohibits any member from also being a member of the Mason’s. This is fact, not just opinion.
Any person that claims to be a member of both should query up through the Knight’s organization to find out just how strong this prohibition is. If they should bring their membership to the attention of the governing bodies of the Knight’s, they will quickly be stripped of their membership in the Knights.
One simply can not be a true member of an organization that supports the Catholic Church, and also be a member of an organization that fought against the Catholic Church for centuries.
Val Jaffee says
“You know that there is only ONE God and there is only one way to Him and that’s through Jesus Christ.”
This is why I have a major problem with this religion! So what happens to ALL those ordinary folks whose religions are way, way older than christianity, and who have died before ever having known Jesus, and who will continue to die without ever having known Jesus (these include folks living in remote regions of the world) because they have never been exposed to Jesus? And how can we expect people in all fairness, to simply abondon their very, very old religion – dating back to several hundred years – for the new and improved one that’s only two thousand years old, written by man, and focuses on worshipping a specific person as the god being?
Theological usage: Oxford English Dictionary defined “cult” as:
“worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings”
“a particular form or system of religious worship; especially in reference to its external rites and ceremonies”
devotion or homage to a particular person or thing.”
just a citizen says
You know…I read all of the previous comments…. and I shake my head and think, no wonder Bunnell is in the state it’s in…everyone has thier own agenda. It is no wonder that the City is being lead by a slick talking carpet bagger from Miami. The elected officials, except for one, are truly ignorant individuals. How Jen Brady, who hasn’t a clue, got re-elected is just a reflection of priorities of the citizens. We should be concerned about those things rather than some issue over a day of prayer. We the citizens get so preoccuped over this,(a day of prayer), but it doesn’t bother us that we lost the DOT contract, spent thousands of dollars on a garbage truck with some hairbrain scheme to make money, and our Police department is headquatered in a moldy delapidated doublewide in the rear of one of our historic buildings. Why don’t these things outrage you? Do think if it was feasable and a money maker to get in the garbage business that other cities, Palm Coast, Flager Beach, wouldn’t jump at the chance, we are idiots run by idiots.
@ Godsgirl. I don’t even KNOW you and I want to “disown” you like your father did. I have a feeling your religious choice was the least of his reasons for cutting ties.
Val, we have come full circle with my original post on this topic – More of a reason to keep church and state separate.
Godsgirl, thank you for that informative reply. Very interesting.
Just a citizen:
I agree with you. The City’s leaders appear to be nice people but have not a clue what they are doing. This goes for some of the administrative levels as well.
By the way, what are you talking about as far as an DOT contract? What did they lose?
Ok for one there fool it’s not my father that cut me off it’s the man telling about his father who was in the Masons, thank you! Another God created the earth so there is nothing prior to Him, and if you read your Bible that is why we send Missionaries into those countries to spread the Gospel of Jesus. It also says in the Bible that that’s when the end of the world will be is when all parts have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Even before Jesus walked on the Earth there was men of God who shared the Gospel which all pointed to Jesus.
Day of Prayer is just 1 issue the City is facing right now it’s not the only thing people are concerned about. No contract was lost, sorry to burst your bubble there. A lot of things do need done in this city, so your right stop worrying so much about a day of Prayer and speak up on other issues. Get involved in your city. Prayer will only help!
It’s funny when Bunnell had a commissioner that was preying on the poor folks of this community with the PD in his pocket no one cried out this loud or spoke out at the meetings. We know have a board that wants to Pray for the city, not on it.
Tommy, some of us spoke up that’s how it came to light!
And I would definitely rather be prayed for than preyed on.
Val Jaffee says
“Even before Jesus walked on the Earth there was men of God who shared the Gospel which all pointed to Jesus.” ???????
Even before Jesus walked the earth, there were many gods that preceded Jesus that were of very different religions including this one:-
“Horus of Egypt: Egyptians were actually mentioned in the bible, as an enemy who captured and enslaved the Hebrews who were designated as God’s chosen bunch. Only thing is the bible never mentioned what the Egyptians believed and worshiped. The proximity of Horus to Jesus is almost uncanny.
–Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
–His earthly father was named “Seb” (“Joseph”).
–He was of royal descent.
–At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
–Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by “Anup the Baptizer” (“John the Baptist”), who was decapitated.
–He had 12 disciples, two of who were his “witnesses” and were named “Anup” and “Aan” (the two “Johns”).
–He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (“El-Osiris”), from the dead.
–Horus walked on water.
–His personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of “Ptah,” the “Father.” He was thus called “Holy Child.”
–He delivered a “Sermon on the Mount” and his followers recounted the “Sayings of Iusa.”
–Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
–He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
–He was also the “Way, the Truth, the Light,” “Messiah,” “God’s Anointed Son,” “the “Son of Man.””
The Piranha says
DOT Contract = Department of Transportation = fixing the roadways of Flagler County (why you see Bunnell trucks outside their city) = loss of about 50 – 60 % revenue for the City Of Bunnell. How this is not the ONLY topic for Bunnell at this point is beyond me. My guess is more smoke and mirrors by the (what was that awesome quote if I may) “slick talking carpet bagger”… could that be the one and only city manager? But, talking religion causes more of a stir and distraction of what’s really going on. Hmmmm…. Maybe that’s not so dumb after all.