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House Panel Votes 13-1 to Ban Red-Light Cameras by 2020, But We’ve Been Here Before

| January 25, 2017

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What a rear-ending looks like. Rear-end crashes and incapacitationg crashes are up at intersections that have red-light cameras, according to the Florida highways department. (© FlaglerLive)

A House panel in the Florida Legislature this afternoon voted 13-1 to ban red-light cameras by July 2020  across the state in the first of three committee steps before the full House votes on the bill.


The House has approved similar bills in previous years. But the Senate has not. This time, members of the Transportation and Infrastructure Subcommittee said, the bill-H.B. 6007, by a proposal by Rep. Bryan Avila, R-Hialeah and several co-sponsors, may have stronger support in the Senate, where a companion bill, SB 178, was filed by Sen. Frank Artiles, R-Miami.

Both Artiles and Avila consider red-light cameras money-making schemes for local governments and the private companies contracted to run such systems, such as American Traffic Solutions, which has the most such contracts in Florida. Palm Coast has been contracting with ATS since 2007, and at one point had some 45 cameras in place.


The four working red-light cameras in Palm Coast:

  • Northbound Old Kings Rd. and Kings Way
  • Northbound Cypress Pt. Pkwy and Boulder Rock Dr.
  • Northbound Belle Terre Pkwy and Rymfire Drive
  • Northbound Belle Terre Pkwy and Cypress Point Pkwy

But the city’s program has been mired in controversy almost since its inception—the city’s pre-2010 program was ruled illegal by the state Supreme Court—and the city council finally decided to move up the termination of the contract with ATS by two years. That contract is set to end on Sept. 30 this year. Until then, four cameras are still operating in the city, generating $16,500 for city coffers. The rest goes to ATS and state government. So even if this latest attempt by lawmakers to ban red-light cameras is successful, it will be a moot point in Palm Coast, assuming the current council does not reverse course and somehow renews the contract with ATS.

Avila this afternoon told the subcommiottee the story of an elderly woman in Tamarac, in South Florida, who was facing a life-and-death situation as she was driving to the hospital. (She had kidney stones.) . She made a turn on red at the intersection outside the hospital—and got a notice of violation. She thought she could appeal and that the hearing officer would understand. Instead, the price of her ticket nearly doubled, because the hearing officer wouldn’t concede that there were extenuating circumstances, and she had to pay the additional costs of the appeal.

Rep. Bryan Avila.

Rep. Bryan Avila.

“That could occur to any of us, to any of our constituents,” Avila said. “Why would a jurisdiction place a red-light camera at the entrance of an ER? And the truth is, it’s obvious. It’s a revenue stream.”

Safety is a priority, Avila said. And even though the 2010 Mark Wandell Act that legalized red-light cameras across Florida may have been well-intentioned, he said, it has not lived up to its promise of making intersections safer. But 108 local governments have actually abandoned red-light cameras because “they are essentially losing a ton of money”—this, following the 2010 law’s passage. Before that law, cities like Palm Coast were raking in revenue, and splitting it only with their contractors. Since 2010, the money has had to be split with the state and contractors: a violation results in a $158 fine, with $83 of that going to the state and the rest getting divided according to contractual arrangements between local governments and their contractor. Those contractors are still making about $35 million a year, Avila said.

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 “So the cost is significant, there is no disputing that,” he said. As for changing driving behavior—the repeated and favored mantra of red-light-camera advocates—“the facts are clear,” Avila continued. “Over 150,000 Notice of Violations were issued to repeat offenders” in 2015-16. That is three times the amount more than the 2014-2015 report. So that illustrates that it is not changing driving behaviors.”

This year’s proposal to ban the cameras has some momentum because of a new study by the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles analyzing crash data in dozens of cities and counties that use the cameras in Florida, including them Palm Coast. Contrary to previous, anecdotal claims, the evidence points to an increase in crashes at red-light camera intersections, particularly of crashes that result in incapacitating injuries.

 The data has been disputed by red-light camera advocates, saying it’s not comprehensive, a point the department concedes. But it is more broadly empirical data than has been presented regarding red-light cameras in Florida than was previously available.

The committee heard from advocates and opponents of the ban proposal, among them the head of the Florida Police Chiefs Association, who maintained that cameras do change behavior for the better (he did not provide evidence) and that “they do save lives,” and from Norm Ardette, a bus operator in DeLand who was previously a bus drivers’ union chief, who agreed that the cameras change behavior, but for the worse.

“I care for my passengers, for their safety, they’re my family,” he said, but slamming down the brakes to avoid running a red light would send people “flying” in buses, and cause injuries.

The only dissenting vote in today’s subcommittee action was by Barbara Watson, the ranking Democrat on the committee, who represents North Miami Gardens.

The ban proposal’s next stops are in the House Appropriations Committee, then the Government Accountability Committee.

Legislators’ analysis and background materials on House Bill 2006 banning red-light cameras by 2020:

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7 Responses for “House Panel Votes 13-1 to Ban Red-Light Cameras by 2020, But We’ve Been Here Before”

  1. James C. Walker says:

    This is the first of many steps needed to ban the red light camera money grab racket in Florida which has raised the crash rates at many camera intersections. Safety was NOT the reason for the 2010 law. The law was passed to help fund the state budget with the state getting an $83 commission on each $158 ticket without paying a penny of the typical $4,000 to $5,000 per month per camera high costs.

    Florida residents need to call and write their state Representatives, Senators, and the Governor to politely but clearly insist that House Bill 6007 and Senate Bill 178 to totally ban red light cameras become law. Let each official know you find the cameras to be unacceptable and that complete removal is the only acceptable solution. Contact information:
    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/sections/representatives/myrepresentative.aspx
    http://www.flsenate.gov/senators/find
    http://www.flgov.com/contact-governor/

    James C. Walker, Life Member – National Motorists Association

  2. Charles F. Ericksen, Jr says:

    The circumstances of the law maker’s concerns was exactly the same, right here at the entrance off of SR 100 to Florida Hospital-Flagler.. Many were given tickets, even though they were in the right turn lane, going to the ER room..
    Sad , that common sense did not prevail

  3. Anonymous says:

    How do we get “red light cameras” at all intersections without it being a money MAKING scheme for city’s???

  4. w.ryan says:

    Simple solution is to increase the time interval from the red to the green, Longer all stops in all directions between the light change. This is why traffic lights exist not to make cash off of poor or frail judgement. Our society is so hell bent on punishment and/or cash! Big brother monetizes everything these days.

  5. James C. Walker says:

    @w.ryan
    Florida did increase the minimum all-red phase from 1 to 2 seconds and that IS a good move for safety. But the Florida Department of Transportation expressly forbids cities to set correctly-long yellow intervals at many camera intersections. It is part of the predatory money-grab racket so the state gets more $83 commissions on each $158 ticket without paying a penny of the high camera costs.

    James C. Walker, National Motorists Association

  6. Anonymous says:

    I was against the red light cameras after getting two tickets. After the last couple of weeks with all of the traffic accidents at the intersections and a couple of deaths in Palm Coast, I now believe that the cameras do help avoid the really more deadly side impact collisions which occur at intersections. I realize people only react to traffic laws when they are impacted financially as I was after my to tickets. An example of this, DUI costs most folks some where in the area of $ 10,000.00 before it is done and a lot of embarrassment and the public humiliation of having to attend driver’s education classes and/or AA meetings. Most people are very carful to avoid a DUI because of this stiff fine. I feel tough fines will help avoid deadly accidents, so my (2) $ 165.00 tickets was cheap price to pay, but it definitely got my attention. I do not like the thought of any governmental agency or city prospering from my fine at an intersection. Therefore I would like the city to forego ANY share of their monies collected from fines from these red light cameras and set up a relief fund to help victims of crashes in the Palm Coast, when there are severe rehabilitating injuries, when Insurance doesn’t cover all the expenses. This will take the cities greed factor out the equation.

  7. James C. Walker says:

    @Anonymous
    Almost all of the dangerous side impact crashes happen when drivers who never recognized the light was red and entered at least 2 and more usually 5 to 9 seconds into the red phase. Most of these drivers were DUI, drug impaired, medically impaired, or heavily distracted by something. Auburn University did a study that showed the cost to society for violations of less than 2.5 seconds was $0.00 because those violations do not cause crashes.

    Most tickets to go safe drivers for split second violations of less than 1 second into the red.

    The two groups are not related. Claiming they are is an invalid apples to watermelons comparison.

    James C. Walker, National Motorists Association

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