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Georgia’s Trump Indictment Is a GOP Dream of States’ Rights

August 18, 2023 | FlaglerLive | 10 Comments

Fulton County Sheriff officers block off a street in front of the Fulton County Courthouse on August 14, 2023 in Atlanta, Georgia. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Fulton County Sheriff officers block off a street in front of the Fulton County Courthouse on August 14, 2023 in Atlanta, Georgia. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

By Stefanie Lindquist

For the past 50 years, Republican policymakers and judges have sought to bolster federalism in the United States. Since Ronald Reagan’s first inaugural address in 1981, Republicans have been calling for policymakers to rein in the federal government in favor of devolving more power to the states.

Contrary to what it sounds like, “federalism” does not mean a strong central government. Instead, it refers to a system of government in which the people may be regulated by both the federal and state governments.




Reagan succinctly expressed it in his 1981 inaugural speech: “It is my intention to curb the size and influence of the Federal establishment and to demand recognition of the distinction between the powers granted to the Federal Government and those reserved to the States or to the people.”

All U.S. citizens are actually citizens of two separate governments: They are citizens of the United States as well as citizens of the state in which they live. And they are subject to two systems of law as a result.

The Framers valued federalism – and the division of power between different levels of government – as a bulwark against tyranny and a protector of liberty.

But this division of power has doubled the trouble for the leading Republican in the country: former president and likely GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, who now stands indicted on 13 criminal counts by a Fulton County, Georgia, grand jury for “knowingly and willfully” joining “a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election.” Eighteen others were also indicted on a variety of charges related to the attempt to overturn the election.

A dark haired woman in a dark dress, looking pensive.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis in an April 19, 2023, portrait in Atlanta.
AP Photo/Brynn Anderson, File

Prosecutions by ‘separate sovereign governments’

With federalism come two sources of law – state and federal – which creates a complex web of regulations that can lead to criminal charges at both the state and federal levels, even for the same behavior.

While this may sound like a violation of the constitutional ban on double jeopardy, that constitutional protection only applies to repeated prosecutions by the same sovereign government. The state and federal governments are separate sovereign governments.




The federal government may criminalize behavior within the constraints imposed by the U.S. Constitution that limit federal power. Most federal crimes involve some form of interstate travel or transactions, for example. But the states’ criminal codes may often regulate the same behavior or additional behaviors with different standards and different penalties.

For example, when Timothy McVeigh blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, he was subject to prosecution by both state and federal officials for violations of the laws of both governments.

McVeigh committed federal crimes, such as use of a weapon of mass destruction on federal property and the murder of federal law enforcement officers. The state of Oklahoma [could also have prosecuted him] for violating Oklahoma murder statutes, among other state criminal violations, although once McVeigh was convicted and sentenced to death in a federal trial, Oklahoma prosecutors did not ultimately seek to bring a case against him.

Donald Trump is now experiencing the full weight of a system of government in which criminal law is produced and enforced by law enforcement agencies and prosecutors across 50 states and by one powerful central government.

A woman in a sleeveless orange dress, holding papers and walking in a wood-paneled room.
Fulton County Court Clerk Che Alexander arrives with indictments for Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney on August 14, 2023 in Atlanta, Georgia.
Megan Varner/Getty Images

The ‘very essence’ of federalism

Trump’s activities in Georgia and New York may be prosecuted independently by state prosecutors – district attorneys and state attorneys general – under those states’ criminal codes.

At the same time, many of the facts implicated in the Georgia and New York cases could contribute to, or be relevant to, federal criminal prosecutions as well.




Prosecutions at both levels represent the very essence of federalism in action.

Usually in such circumstances, state and federal prosecutors must negotiate with one another about who will bring their prosecutions first, and how the state and federal trials will be managed and accommodated by each government.

But no matter what, neither set of officials has the power to deny the other the chance to prosecute a defendant who has violated the laws of their respective jurisdictions.

There is abundant irony in the fact that federalism – championed by Republicans and conservative judges for decades – now has come to haunt the leading Republican for the U.S. presidency.

And even more ironic is that even if he becomes president again, Donald Trump will not have the authority to pardon himself – if that is even constitutional – or anyone else for the violation of state crimes.

Presidential pardon authority extends to federal crimes alone.The Conversation

Stefanie Lindquist is Foundation Professor of Law and Political Science at Arizona State University.

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  1. Barney P Fife says

    August 19, 2023 at 9:55 am

    Lock him up….

  2. Sam says

    August 19, 2023 at 3:36 pm

    Break the law and the law wins. Just remember no one is above the law. Evidence and those upholding the law will end up spilling the beans.

  3. DaleL says

    August 19, 2023 at 4:04 pm

    More and more legal scholars are stepping forward and arguing that Donald Trump is disqualified from holding any office of trust in the government of the USA and the States, because of his attempts to subvert the 2020 election, to promote the insurrection of January 6th, and to give aid and comfort to those who participated in the January 6th insurrection.

    The scholars include: William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, members of the conservative Federalist Society, who have written a 126 page thesis: “The Sweep and Force of Section Three”. Also, J. Michael Luttig and Laurence H. Tribe, liberal legal scholars, have just been featured in the Atlantic story titled: “The Constitution Prohibits Trump From Ever Being President Again”.

    Baude and Paulsen concluded that Section 3 requires no legislation, criminal conviction, or other judicial action in order to effectuate its command. That is, Section 3 is self-executing. Luttig and Tribe agree.

    As Luttig and Tribe write: “As a practical matter, the processes of adversary hearing and appeal will be invoked almost immediately upon the execution and enforcement of Section 3 by a responsible election officer—or, for that matter, upon the failure to enforce Section 3 as required. When a secretary of state or other state official charged with the responsibility of approving the placement of a candidate’s name on an official ballot either disqualifies Trump from appearing on a ballot or declares him eligible, that determination will assuredly be challenged in court by someone with the standing to do so, whether another candidate or an eligible voter in the relevant jurisdiction.”

    Mr. Trump and/or his supporters had better be prepared to argue in court as to how he is not disqualified by his words and actions from being President. Also, this is not a 1st amendment case. In any area in which there the 14th amendment may conflict with the 1st amendment, it is superior because it is a later amendment.

  4. Laurel says

    August 19, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    Donald Trump is good for two things: Reality entertainment, and pushing and testing the boundaries of our government that no one has ever dreamed of doing. Other than that, he’s a real snowflake and embarrassment to the U.S.A.

  5. TR says

    August 19, 2023 at 9:20 pm

    This is all going to backfire and show the real people that the government is corrupt in all departments.

  6. Ray W. says

    August 19, 2023 at 10:42 pm

    Nearly 40 years ago, I listened as a law school professor argued to the class that if someone formed the intent to steal from post office mailboxes and then physically broke into a post office that was located on a military base that had been built within the borders of an Indian reservation, then the burglar could be prosecuted by the state, the DOJ, the military and the Bureau for Indian Affairs without violating double jeopardy provisions of the state and federal constitutions. Each relevant burglary statute might have slightly different wording, creating a slightly different burden of proof for each prosecution.

  7. DaleL says

    August 20, 2023 at 12:51 pm

    The “government” (Federal, State, and Local) is not corrupt in all departments. There are corrupt individuals, who are a disgrace to their positions. We must hold those individuals accountable. It is for this reason that we must hold Mr. Trump accountable. No one should be above the law, but until now it seemed that Mr. Trump was.

  8. Sherry says

    August 21, 2023 at 12:02 pm

    A must read for those who desire to understand that there are still great members of the Republican party. . . true conservatives who are concerned for our democracy:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-retired-judge-says-trump-corroded-and-corrupted-american-democracy

  9. DaleL says

    August 22, 2023 at 9:09 am

    I have a question for TR, who do you consider to be “…the real people….”?

  10. The dude says

    August 22, 2023 at 11:41 am

    Well… certainly not “those” people…

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