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Zohran Mamdani and Sewer Socialism’s Revival

November 4, 2025 | FlaglerLive | 44 Comments

Zohran Mamdani. (Wikimedia Commons)

By Garritt C. Van Dyk

Democratic candidate for mayor of New York City Zohran Mamdani looks increasingly like the one to beat at today’s election. But he is up against more than the usual political challenges.

US President Donald Trump has referred to him as “my little communist” and called his nomination “a rebellion”. More recently there have been calls for Mamdani’s citizenship to be investigated.

Born in Uganda, and the first Muslim nominee for mayor of the biggest city in the US, the 34-year-old Mamdani is an obvious target. But it is his stance as a democratic socialist that has really invited the old-school “red-baiting”, aimed at discrediting him by invoking Cold War anxieties.

In fact, Mamdani’s approach to democratic socialism is less about an abstract political ideology than it is about practical solutions. As he has put it:

We want to showcase our ideals, not by lecturing people about how correct we are, but rather by delivering and letting that delivery be the argument itself.

Because of this, he has also been described as an heir to the historical tradition of “sewer socialism”, a brand of left-wing thinking that favoured incremental, practical reform over revolutionary rhetoric.

Delivering tangible results

Despite the long history of anticommunism in the United States, Milwaukee in Wisconsin was the nation’s socialist capital for decades.

A succession of socialist mayors focused on delivering basic services to the people of the city. Socialist candidates dominated city politics there for 50 years, from 1910 to 1960. It was the most successful political achievement for socialism in US history, largely because it appealed to the mainly German immigrant population.

The term “sewer socialist” was actually first used derisively by Morris Hillquit, national chairman of the Socialist Party, who ran unsuccessfully for mayor of New York several times.

At the 1932 party convention in Milwaukee, Hillquit was almost replaced as leader by local mayor Daniel Hoan. Mayor from 1916 to 1940, Hoan was justifiably proud of the city-owned sewer system. But he also established one of the first public bus systems in America, and built the country’s first public housing project.

This repeated success in city politics – despite the national opposition to socialism and Hillquitt’s “sewer socialist” slight – was built on delivering tangible results to the voters.

And it’s that approach that is seeing sewer socialism making a comeback in city politics today, as urban dwellers face an affordability crisis and declining quality of life.

Mamdani is not the only millennial socialist candidate running for mayor.

In Seattle, over on the US west coast, 43-year-old Katie Wilson is a strong contender in a tight race with the incumbent mayor, 67-year-old Bruce Harell. Wilson is the founder of the local Transit Riders Union and has expanded her progressive activism to social housing, public safety and homelessness.

She doesn’t see the socialist label as a major issue on the campaign:

I’m a socialist. I’m fine being called a democratic socialist […] We’re in a moment where most people don’t care that much. People are not that hung up on labels and want to see results on issues that affect their daily lives.

Beautiful, contradictory, unfinished

Like Wilson, Mamdani lacks the experience of his opponent, former New York governor Andrew Cuomo (67).

Cuomo played on this in the final debate of the campaign, telling the young challenger, “the issue is your lack of experience”.

Mamdani replied that his opponents “speak only in the past because that is all they know”.

Perhaps inevitably, some are saying Mamdani’s ability to connect with voters not only promises to deliver an improved quality of city life, but may also make him a viable presidential candidate who could “save” the Democratic Party in 2028.

Speaking on the 4th of July, Mamdani said: “America is beautiful, contradictory, unfinished, I am proud of our country even as we constantly strive to make it better.”

Vice President JD Vance responded the next day: “There is no gratitude here […] We should demand that our people, whether first or tenth generation Americans, have gratitude for this country.”

Intended as an insult, Vance also accurately described Mamdani’s surprise win in the primary: “Last week, a 33-year-old communist running an insurgent campaign beat a multi-million-dollar establishment machine…”.

But it might have been Fiorello La Guardia, mayor of New York during the Depression, who best described how such a turnaround could have happened: “There is no Republican or Democratic way to pick up the garbage.”

In other words, basic municipal services don’t depend on party politics. And if neither major party cares enough about those essential quality of life issues to actually deliver, maybe a younger “sewer socialist” will be the one to pick up the trash.

Garritt C. Van Dyk is Senior Lecturer in History at the University of Waikato in New Zealand.

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  1. Ed P says

    November 5, 2025 at 5:48 am

    Is it a good thing Mamdani won the Mayoral race?
    Things tend to seek a natural balance, like the depth of water…
    Canadians leave Florida and New Yorkers come to Florida…
    The moving companies couldn’t be happier.

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    • BillC says

      November 5, 2025 at 10:41 am

      As usual Ed P is confused. Water seeks its own level. The depth is dependent on the basin that holds it.
      Congrats to Mamdani and his lovely wife. Trump says the R’s lost because he wasn’t on the ballot.
      OH YES HE WAS!

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      • Ed P says

        November 5, 2025 at 3:00 pm

        BillC,
        My metaphorical statement “things tend to seek a natural balance, like the depth of water”, was about a social equilibrium. Radical changes or unsettling irrational fears will experience a return to a stable, self regulating situation .
        Meaning NYC will survive a Mamdani administration. The Canadian exodus provides a buyers market for New Yorkers.

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        • Ray W. says

          November 5, 2025 at 7:19 pm

          Hello Ed P.

          I am not convinced that there is much of a Canadian exodus from NYC, but I have been commenting for a time about a reduced rate of vacation travel into the U.S. from Canada. I have to think that this translates into a drop in vacation travel to the city.

          I did find a October 30, 2025 Fox Business article about a Canadian exodus from South Florida, titled “Canadians flee Florida real estate market as Trump tariffs and trade tensions create uncertainty”.

          According to Senada Adzem, director of luxury sales for Douglas Ellman Florida, “[w]e’ve had a huge uptick in Canadian clients of ours who are calling us to actually list their properties just as our season is starting. … They feel it’s the perfect time for them to sell.”

          Ms. Adzem provide three positions for her stance:

          “[Number] one is increased costs of holding Florida real estate. Number two, I feel like the trade tensions and also tremendous volatility that we’re seeing with exchange rates between the U.S. and Canadian dollar have also impacted that decision. And then, very importantly, on a personal note, they feel like there is this perception that they don’t feel as welcome in the United States.”

          Make of this what you will.

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          • Sherry says

            November 6, 2025 at 3:45 pm

            Good morning Ray W.!

            We have many friends living in other countries due to the over 85 home exchanges we’ve done over the years. The vast majority from Europe, Australia and Canada, staying in our Flagler beach home between 2005 and 2015. 100% of them loved Florida during those years. They felt welcomed and safe. They enjoyed the weather, the beach and restaurants, along with the friendly locals. They generally enjoyed coming to the US for their holidays every year.

            Now, with the rise in political turmoil and gun violence, not one of those friends will be spending their tourist money in the US.

            Our friends Mark and Carole from Canada sold their vacation home in Phoenix due to trump’s attitude against Canadians. When recently traveling home from their new place in Mexico, they had to change planes in Houston. They said the customs agent there saw their Canadian passports and was very rude. . . “he practically threw our passports at us with a big frown, we were actually fear struck”!

            This is how the US is now perceived by those who were once our best friends and allies. Beyond now being a dictatorship, our society is now thought of as dangerous, bigoted and angry.

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            • Laurel says

              November 7, 2025 at 10:02 am

              Restaurants are starting to slow. Lunches for two are now $50 + tip. A couple of cocktails and an appetizer is $50 + tip. A pizza to go is $30 + small tip. People aren’t going to do that for long.

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            • Ray W. says

              November 7, 2025 at 10:42 am

              Hello Sherry.

              Can it be argued that good will between nations, once lost, can be difficult, but not impossible, to restore?

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              • Sherry says

                November 8, 2025 at 12:37 pm

                Good Morning from CA Ray W.,

                Optimist that I am, of course good will can be restored. From what I hear from my friends though, their unease with being in the US includes how they feel about Americans “being armed to the teeth” and angry. Another friend said something along the lines of “if I am likely to feel unsafe during my holidays, why should I chose the US when Mexico and Central/South America is so beautiful and so much cheaper. . . plus the people are much more welcoming”?

                I’m thinking our country’s reputation is suffering from the lack of gun safety regulations and “nationalism” culture wars, among many other political considerations like trump’s tariffs and bigotry.

                IMO- The political stuff can be mended fairly easily if/when sanity returns to our government, but it “may” take much more than we realize for tourism to rebound here.

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          • Ed P says

            November 7, 2025 at 5:22 am

            Ray W
            My reference was Canadians leaving Florida, New Yorkers coming in.
            My analysis of why Canadians are leaving has less to do with the tariff tussle or dust up and more about monetary issues.
            First, most people are oblivious to the tariffs or understand what effect they will have directly upon them. Tariffs are not a direct consumer tax, as proven by foreign car manufacturers. Import car prices have not skyrocketed passing on the entire tariff if any.
            The impetuous for the exodus is probably due to 2 factors. Real estate and currency.
            Florida real estate has undergone a strong appreciation of late. The real market value has driven up real estate taxes from a reasonable level to the point of concern. The appreciation provides the owner the opportunity to make money upon a sale.
            The second issue , currency. The CAD is at a 7 month low, just a bit over/under 70 cents on the US dollar. Given their money has a 30 percent devaluation, a potential profit from a sale giving them a 30% gain (US back to CAD) just makes financial sense.
            Finally, worldwide in many markets the CAD has a favorable exchange rate and will provide a better “spending” environment for these snowbirds.

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            • Ray W. says

              November 7, 2025 at 10:44 pm

              Thank you, Ed P.

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  2. Samuel L. Bronkowitz says

    November 5, 2025 at 7:36 am

    Mamdani isn’t a socialist, he’s a democratic socialist. His politics are about that of the democratic party say, about 40 years ago. Of course, since then the democratic party has become more republican than the republican party was during Reagan’s ill-fated terms in office and has even managed to have their own Ronald Reagan elected – who inarguably was as destructive to the economy and the american people as good ole Ronnie was.

    That said, I think the term sewer socialist is nonsense. Jonathan Haidt’s work with moral foundation theory demonstrates that the way to lasting change is to make it slow and incremental. I don’t think that this eliminates the need for the gallows, the guillotine, or the Hague but it does suggest that the path forward be slow, incremental, and consistent.

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  3. Al says

    November 5, 2025 at 8:29 am

    All the people who are afraid to compete because they lack self esteem should move to NYC immediately. Why wait the promised land of handouts awaits, at least until the money runs out. If everything is free then who pays the bills? Not the rich, there’s not enough of them. Once life becomes too much for those afraid to get out and make their life better the chaos starts. Just remember if the government can give everything it can also take it away.

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  4. Laurel says

    November 5, 2025 at 9:32 am

    I’m glad Mamdani won. If it takes someone from the far left (socialism) to take us back from the far right (fascism), and towards the center, I’m for it. The young people get it. Both traditional parties are not working for us; they are working for the ultra wealthy. The big campaign donors. The corporate donors. The Tech Ball Room donors.

    Look at health insurance. The reason we are in the position we are in, is because of insurance’s strong lobby. That lobby is constantly in the ears of our supposed representatives. We the people are sidelined. The Democrats did try to help, to a certain extent, but the Republicans kept tearing it up, bit by bit, then claiming it doesn’t work. The insurance lobby gets its way. Money wins over the people.

    Socialism is not nearly as bad as we’ve been hammered for decades to believe. It’s good when combined with democracy. No pure socialism is good. No pure communism is good. No pure fascism is good. No pure capitalism is good. No total one way system is good. We win when we pick the best parts of systems, and do away with the bad parts.

    Many countries do very well with a socialistic democratic system. You may be surprised who does. Some of Trump’s favorite countries practice socialistic democracy, including Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Portugal, and to a certain extent, India.

    There are claims that China and Cuba are socialistic countries, but they are really communism governments. The fact that they have fairly recently allowed citizens to run their own businesses, points them away from communism and towards socialism, but I think that’s a stretch. The combination of communism and socialism isn’t good, but getting away from one, single system did improve the lives of people in China. Cuba is still too deep in communism. Both counties have a long way to go. We don’t. Regardless, it proves that no one, single system works, and the combination of the correct systems does work.

    What disturbs me the most, is that U.S. citizens don’t seem to know the difference in these systems, and label them all bad, except capitalism. Pure capitalism does not work, and we are seeing that now. It works for only the very few who manipulate it.

    Of course, Trump thinks the NYC election was “rigged.” Anything that doesn’t point to him in a royal light, is “rigged.” No, we’re not that stupid, but we do need a fresh start. We need to get away from the lies.

    Do not concern yourselves over Mamdani. In New York City, there will be many whom he will have to deal with. He has a long road to travel, but he may just do the citizens some good!

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    • Interested party says

      November 6, 2025 at 9:14 am

      I’d be very interested to know about Lauren’s educational background. We already know you worked for the post office. What else?

      You post like you’re an erudite scholar. Give us your educational history . . . not just your socialist opinions.

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      • FlaglerLive says

        November 6, 2025 at 10:10 am

        Interested party, it’s not your place to ask, especially when you comment behind a mask.

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      • Kennan says

        November 6, 2025 at 2:52 pm

        Hey, interested party? Intelligence is measured, not by your educational background at all, but your ability to learn. That’s what makes people intelligent. Intelligent answers are one thing, but you never get intelligent answers without intelligent questions.
        My father had four PhD‘s, and was a Middle East expert. A professor at Georgetown University. He never flaunted it. In fact, if anything, he downplayed it in order to make others comfortable in case he had the opportunity to learn something.

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      • Sherry says

        November 6, 2025 at 3:50 pm

        Thank you Pierre and Keenan! “interested party” IMO you are trolling and way out of line!

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      • Laurel says

        November 7, 2025 at 10:12 am

        Interested party: You are not terribly interesting. In fact, rather predictable.

        I did not work for the Post Office, that was a foolish statement, showing me you are not an interested party, but a predudicial one.

        By the way, who’s “Lauren?”

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  5. The dude says

    November 5, 2025 at 11:32 am

    MAGA morons predicting the end of NYC are as clueless as their orange dear leader.

    NYC is not going anywhere, and will continue to be one of the largest economic engines of the entire country long after the MAGA morons flame out.

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  6. Pogo says

    November 5, 2025 at 11:38 am

    Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
    — Winston Churchill
    https://www.google.com/search?q=churchill+end+of+the+beginning+quote

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  7. Jim H. says

    November 5, 2025 at 12:25 pm

    MBA Economics 501

    Ok, who said, “capitalism will be the thing that destroys democracy”?

    Answer: Karl Marx. He wrote, “economic inequality under capitalism fundamentally undermines the ideas of the working class”.

    To all of us who care, if we all believe in politics and then capitalism, then you can expect capitalism to destroy democracy.

    Right now, it appears the Americans’ real power is in the hands of the politicians. On the horizon, capitalism and the mega-rich, and corporations will control all of us. (Sound and feel familiar?)

    Please do the hard work and do due diligence. Vote intelligently!

    Democracy – if you can keep it!

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  8. Skibum says

    November 5, 2025 at 12:36 pm

    Last night’s huge democrat election victories, in NYC, in Virginia, in New Jersey, in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, in Colorado, in California and elsewhere are a total repudiation of Donald Trump, of Mike Johnson, and of maga extremist politics in general. The republi-cons laughed and sneered at the millions and millions of Americans who came out for the “no kings” protest marches all over America, chiding them and saying they were worthless and didn’t matter. I beg to differ!

    Americans are rightly pissed off. Even republican and independent voters who put the convicted felon sex abuser into the WH earlier this year, hoping that his presidency would help the economy and lower grocery prices, have been disillusioned and lied to be this corrupt administration and their efforts not on behalf of average Americans but only the rich who already have way more money than they should have.

    Americans are pissed off that republicans are trying to take the ACA healthcare subsidies away from families who rely on them for affordable healthcare. They are pissed off at Mike Johnson sending all of the republican house members home and giving them an extended month and a half long vacation at taxpayer expense just so he can have a convenient, but ridiculous excuse not to hold a swearing in ceremony for a newly elected member of Congress who has been sitting on the sidelines for nearly two months now since she was elected in her home state. They are pissed off that Mike Johnson and the pedophile protecting drumph administration is hidng the information in the Epstein files, refusing to release them despite running for election on a platform that included transparency and the promised release of the Epstein files when they thought those documents would indict democratic donors, but now that it is apparent that either the sex abuser president himself or republicans are named in the files, they are flatly refusing to make those files public.

    Americans are righly pissed off that the original stated goal of drumph’s ICE raids were only to target the “worst of the worst”, and arrest violent undocumented criminals, he has been sending masked thugs into America’s cities to beat up and arrest anyone who appears to have dark skin, regardless of whether they are American citizens or not. He has sent his thugs into schools, churches, hospitals, and even arrested people in court buildings who have been following immigration law and showing up for their scheduled immigration hearings. People are pissed off that he is allowing people to be unceremoniously locked up without any due process, and told they are going to be sent to foreign countries far away where they are not from and have no connection to whatsoever, just because drumph is paying their corrupt leaders taxpayer dollars to be part of this unconstitutional purge.

    Americans are pissed off that republi-cons in Congress think they can arbitrarily make all of the decisions without ever having to sit down with democrats across the aisle and NEGOTIATE, then they cry and complain that democrats are refusing to budge and let drumph and the republi-cons walk all over them, rendering them worthless. Well, the democrats are standing strong, standing together, and loudly pushing back, and Americans in every state, every city in this country are CHEERING and supporting democratic pushback, even while the republi-cons refuse to meet them in the middle so our government can reopen and get back to work.

    The democrat voters sent a loud and forceful message. Now, will republi-cons hear that message and act accordingly for the American people… that is still an open question.

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    • Jay Tomm says

      November 5, 2025 at 2:20 pm

      Hate much??? See this is the problem in America. You talk about sitting down yet use terms that say otherwise. Get yo head off social media & think for yourself. You think America is a 2 party system? NO it’s not! $$ rules & we little people get shafted.
      Rise up America!!!!

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      • Skibum says

        November 5, 2025 at 3:40 pm

        Hey Jay… guess what? I’m not an elected congressman! I’m not one of those who have the responsibility to sit down and work through this shutdown mess. I’m a damn pissed off American voter, so I can damn well see what the problem is, I can stand up for myself and others and speak about the issue and what needs to be done to resolve it.

        No, you are completely wrong… I am NOT the problem with America! I can use whatever “terms” that I feel are justified to properly define the issue, thank you very much.

        And you end your comment with “Rise up America!!!!”… isn’t that just exactly what Americans have been doing with all of the nationwide “no kings” protest marches, and historically high voter turnout last night for a non-presidential election? I’d say so!

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        • Sherry says

          November 6, 2025 at 3:52 pm

          Right On Skibum!

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    • Ed P says

      November 6, 2025 at 6:03 am

      Yep, there was a democratic sweep in blue states. Huh?
      All three races are in solidly blue regions. Virginia Governor, NJ Governor and NYC Mayoral race. Honestly, not surprising.
      Where is the complete repudiation of the federal government shutdown?
      Where is the compassion for the those being intentionally inflicted with financial pain or being denied SNAP?
      This protracted shutdown was 100% avoidable, and unnecessary.
      Feels like the Texas Democratic lawmakers childish exodus during the gerrymandering kerfuffle.
      If the Dems believe they are serving their constituents and America by holding Americans hostage and leveraging the most vulnerable to gain a political win, they have over played this hand and they can’t bluff their way out. The gamesmanship must end and my only surprise is none of my friends at Flagler Live have said anything.

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      • Ray W. says

        November 7, 2025 at 10:34 am

        I agree with you, Ed P., that the Republican House is directly responsible for the federal shutdown that is holding many Americans hostage. So, too, is the Democratic House. So, too, is the Presidency. So, too, is the Senate.

        Compromise, perhaps, could help, but compromise seems an ancient and dishonorable solution in these days of unyielding political division.

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        • Ed P says

          November 8, 2025 at 5:52 am

          Ray W,
          But who will be the adults and end it?

          I am perplexed that the outcry about the shut down has been muffled, especially by the media. That appears to give credence to my view that it was caused by the Democrats.
          Media and protesters tend to lean left, so ask why the crickets?
          The premise that the ACA subsidies “forced” the Dems to create the shutdown in an attempt to gain leverage by making Americans suffer, is a straw man argument.
          It’s one example that everyone ( majority) must be effected for the majority with a flimsy man made crisis. It was not going to happen.
          The ACA subsidies were not nor could not just be abolished, there has to be a safety net or alternative program devised.
          The Dems were looking for a political win, any win, prior to the November 4 elections to evoke a position of strength.
          Pure gamesmanship. Disgraceful.

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          • Ray W. says

            November 8, 2025 at 2:08 pm

            And you might be right that democrats are more responsible for the shut down, just like you might be wrong. Who knows what goes on in the minds of the leadership of both political parties?

            Me?

            I miss the consistent release of new economic data that suddenly stopped when the government shut down. We have little idea as a government where the economy is heading without our “gold standard” statistical data.

            It is gamesmanship on both sides and, to me, both sides are willingly engaging in the gamesmanship. Blaming one side is gamesmanship, too.

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  9. Jay Tomm says

    November 5, 2025 at 2:17 pm

    NYC deserves EVERYTHING it gets the next 4 years!!!!

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    • Kennan says

      November 7, 2025 at 8:55 am

      Careful Jay, New Yorkers may get exactly what they deserve. They might be envied.
      Careful Jay.

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  10. Pogo says

    November 5, 2025 at 7:40 pm

    FL deserves EVERYTHING it gets the next 400 years!!!!

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  11. OMG political theater never ends says

    November 6, 2025 at 4:27 am

    Oh my god trump is so bad we’ve turned to socialism. Unreal! I don’t know much about socialism, but sounds like no one pays the bills and everyone collects the money?

    I do know NYC is planning to increase minimum wage under this guy, and I think that only leads to increased prices for consumers. I’m sorry, it does – we’ve seen it happen folks over the past few years just recently. People do not understand, we live in a capitalistic society, meaning if the people can make more money, then companies just charge them even more for the same goods, lol. Get them in more debt – it’s a rat race you can’t win but we all try to. Look at the cost of a new car today vs 10 years ago – you could almost use a 30 year fixed on most cars today!

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  12. Atwp says

    November 6, 2025 at 4:53 am

    Republicans lost many elections Tuesday. Many say because Trump wasn’t on the ballots. If that is the case, democrats should have a huge blue wave in 2026 and a Democratic should become President in 2028. The reason is because Trump will not be on the ballots. Good job Democratic voters. Good job.

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  13. Atwp says

    November 6, 2025 at 5:44 pm

    Trump calling the elect nyc a communist, Trump is an old white lying felon.

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  14. Sherry says

    November 6, 2025 at 7:10 pm

    I have actually traveled extensively in “Democratic Socialist” countries for months on end because we did home exchanges there. In particular, we found the people of Denmark, Sweden and Norway to be quite proud of their very “democratic” political processes where they voted in frequently held referendums which provided “direct” input into the decision making process. Their candid impression is that there is less political corruption in their countries because votes are not so easily bought like they are in the US.

    As Ray W. says, “make of this what you will”. . .

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    • Ed P says

      November 7, 2025 at 5:41 am

      Collectively all 3 counties have about 22 million people, a number smaller than California.
      They have a 25% vat and high marginal income tax.
      Their aging population is giving concern.
      There is great Wealth Disparity.
      They all have tougher immigration policies than United States primarily labor based, non asylum seekers.

      Ny times Sept 13 2024
      Sweden, a nation long known for its open arms policy toward migrants, plans to drastically increase its cash offer to more than $34,000 to those who agree to back home.
      Note. They have about 2.1 million immigrants.

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  15. Sherry says

    November 6, 2025 at 7:24 pm

    BTW. . . It’s Maga, and their “Lord and Master” trump, who doesn’t know the difference between Democratic Socialism, Marxism, and Communism. Those terms are used as weapons and thrown around as copy cat trolling cherry bombs by people who don’t have a clue! Why, because the Maga Republicans have nothing positive to offer the American people!

    “TDS”= trump DEVOTION Syndrome

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  16. Laurel says

    November 7, 2025 at 11:19 am

    For those who are “interested” please note the following. Now, I have no idea how the formatting will translate here, but maybe you will get the idea.

    Numbers of US dollar millionaires by country
    per UBS (2024)[3] Country or
    subnational area

    Number of millionaires

    Percentage of millionaires (% of adult population)

    United States 21,951,319 8.5
    Mainland China 6,013,282 0.6
    United Kingdom 3,061,553 5.8
    France 2,868,031 5.8
    Japan 2,827,956 2.7
    Germany 2,820,819 4.1
    Canada 1,991,416 6.3
    Australia 1,936,114 9.5
    Italy 1,338,142 2.7
    South Korea 1,295,674 3.1
    Netherlands 1,231,625 8.7
    Spain 1,180,703 3.1
    Switzerland 1,054,293 15.7
    India 868,660 0.1
    Taiwan 788,799 3.8
    Hong Kong SAR 629,155 10.5
    Sweden 575,426 6.8
    Belgium 564,666 6.0
    Russia 381,726 0.3
    Brazil 380,585 0.2
    Saudi Arabia 351,855 1.5
    Singapore 333,204 7.9
    Mexico 331,538 0.4
    Norway 253,085 5.9
    United Arab Emirates 202,201 2.8
    Israel 179,905 2.7
    Indonesia 178,605 0.1
    Portugal 171,797 2.0
    Poland 151,000 0.4
    Thailand 100,001 0.2
    South Africa 90,595 0.2
    Chile 81,274 0.6
    Greece 80,655 1.0
    Turkey 60,787 0.1
    Kazakhstan 44,307 0.3
    Romania[4] 34,486(2025) 0.18
    Qatar 26,163 1.2
    Hungary 24,692 0.3

    – Wikipedia, Forbes

    Hmmm, looks like some of those Democratic Socialist countries are doing okay. Wikipedia, and Forbes, also have a similar list of billionaires.

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  17. Sherry says

    November 7, 2025 at 7:20 pm

    Thank you Laurel! I can tell you from “personal” experience that the standard of living is quite high in Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Also, those countries are much safer than the US:

    Crime rates are significantly lower in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden compared to the US, particularly for violent crimes like homicide. While Sweden has experienced recent increases in gang-related violence, its overall crime rate and violent crime rate remain lower than in the US. The US has higher rates for both violent crime and property crimes like theft and auto theft compared to the European nations.

    Gun control: Denmark, Norway, and Sweden have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world, which contributes to lower rates of gun violence.
    Social factors: The Nordic countries have “smaller wealth gaps” and higher social trusts.

    Health Care:
    Nordic healthcare systems are publicly financed through taxes and are universal, prioritizing access and affordability, while the US system is more reliant on private insurance and is significantly more expensive per capita, leading to issues with affordability and access. Consequently, Nordic countries generally have better health outcomes, lower infant mortality, and less medical debt, but may have longer waiting times for certain non-emergency procedures.

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    • Laurel says

      November 8, 2025 at 8:53 am

      Sherry: Thank you for the information! The problem we have in this country, is people can be convinced that Portland, Oregon is on fire, right here, effecting our neighbors, so you can imagine how easy it is to lie about the rest of the world.

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      • Sherry says

        November 8, 2025 at 3:50 pm

        Hi Laurel. . . Have you ever heard the quip about how to grow (Maga) mushrooms?

        Right winged media’s solution= “Keep them in The Dark and Feed Them Shit”! LOL!

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  18. Kennan says

    November 10, 2025 at 11:58 am

    I think it’s important for Americans to stop focusing on what they think Socialism is, but more importantly what CAPITALISM is and how it has failed the vast majority of Americans.
    Listen, I’m not an economist, but capitalism on its face always sounds good, but its implementation has favored the rich more and more every year. Every decade.
    Zohran Mamdani is not just a departure from this one dimensional, un- inclusive distribution of wealth. He flawlessly presents “common sense “ ways to make everyone feel they can prosper through fair and equitable taxes as well as programs that help a city as a whole, and not just individuals. He levels the playing field so everyone can eat. The 2% tax increase on the ultra rich in New York? Hurts no one. Changes their lives not one iota.
    Zohran Mamdani had to win the New York City mayoral race on two fronts:
    He had to fight against the “open Islamophobia “ and racism from Trump and the Right, who called him a Communist and Hamas sympathizer, because he did not support the GENOCIDE in Gaza that the U.S was supporting with our tax dollars.
    Zohran Mamdani had to fight off his own party as well as Reps like: Corey Booker and Hakeem Jeffries that wouldn’t endorse him even though it was clear he was gonna win the mayoral race.
    Mamdani’s opponents:
    Democrat? Andrew Cuomo and Republican Curtis Sliwa reduced themselves to the Islamaphobic racists they are. Attacks on Mamdani calling him a Hamas sympathizer, all in hopes to take New Yorkers attention off the Genocide against civilians in Gaza. To try to gain favor for that oh so precious BRIBE MONEY they, and so many others covet from Israeli Political action committees. Who are the terrorists?
    From protests for Palestine, Affordability in New York and a focus on community as opposed to billionaires. Well, the people spoke! Many Jewish too. Tired of the.” Status quo bullshit”. They want someone who gives people the voice and legitimacy they crave.

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  19. Kennan says

    November 10, 2025 at 5:26 pm

    Oh, one more thing:
    Any president that threatens to withhold funds from New York City if it elects Zoran Mamdani???? who’s the communist??? it’s not Mamdani.
    One of the administrations resident Zionists, Jonathan Greenblatt, also the director of the Anti-Defamation League made a complete fool of himself on Morning Joe on MSNBC. He talked about developing a coalition of people to watch New York City, as well as Zohran Mamdani to make sure nothing anti-somatic could happen. At least that was the gist of the conversation. Stunned, Joe Scarborough told Greenblatt He was really reaching, and also made the point that if they wanted to watch over New York City, why couldn’t he just speak With Mamdani directly To make sure their city is monitored for antisemitic behavior.
    Republicans failed so spectacularly on election night that unsurprisingly they resort and double down on the lies and fear mongering that they think they have left.
    If you call yourself an American…… Why then do you lack the ability to read a room? In this case a room called the American public. to Democrats, why would seven of you vote with Republicans to try to end the shutdown? Knowing full well that Republicans will still pull your pants down even lower and fuck you even harder the next time. adapt or die. The Trump Republicans are made up of fascists, you know it. America knows it.

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