It’s as massive as they come: a city within a city, except that this new city in Bunnell would dwarf the existing one.
The Reserve at Haw Creek would be Bunnell’s largest development yet, by far, and one of the largest in the county’s history. It would sprawl over nearly 3,000 acres west and south of the city. It would add nearly 6,000 homes, mostly single family and some apartments, plus commercial and industrial acreage. It would result in a potential population increase of 15,000 in a city with a current population of 3,500. Bunnell would be unrecognizable.
Palm Coast, Flagler Beach and Flagler County have their share of big developments, and Palm Coast has a few so-called developments of regional impact that rival the size of The Reserve at Haw Creek. But those are developed in parts by different companies. In its present form, this would all be done by a single concern. The project includes a planned city center similar to Palm Coast’s Town Center, which has only crawled toward development over its 20-year history and still remains more undeveloped than not.
The Bunnell City Commission cleared a key regulatory step Monday evening when it approved on first reading the property owners’ application to entirely change to land use designation for the acreage–2,787 acres in a rough, vast triangle west of U.S. 1, south of State Road 100, and north of State Road 11.
“The Reserve at Haw Creek is proposed to be an integrated master planned mixed-use community including residential, commercial, light industrial, emergency support services, parks and recreation, and conservation,” a memo to city commissioners summarizing the plan states. “The community will include housing types ranging from affordable to market rate housing, consisting of attached and detached single-family residences to townhomes, garden homes and condominiums. A village center is proposed in the eastern portion of the subject development that will provide a mixture of neighborhood and community services, retail and commercial spaces, parks and trails, public services, and amenities. The development will be adjacent to and expand the current urban core of the City, thus reducing the effects of urban sprawl as regulated by the City’s 2035 Comprehensive Plan.”
The last line is not quite accurate: Bunnell’s core is relatively compact, and ends where the proposed development would begin. The development would include no “infill” construction–meaning that none of its acreage would be filling in spaces between already-developed tracts. So it would more correctly fit the definition of sprawl: low to medium density development stretching away from the urban core, with one signal difference: The Reserve would be a planned unit development, giving city planners more authority to ensure that the project would be more carefully planned as part of the city.
“The city has retained a third party planning consultant that will allow review of the PUD documents at the cost of the developer to ensure best practices are being implemented,” Joe Parsons, the city’s community development director, said.
Chad Grimm of Northeast Florida Developers, along with Lee Arsenault and John Latshaw, presented their plan to the commission, including a schematic rendition of how the land would be used, though nothing is set in stone. It’s one schematic “that we’re using as we’re workshopping with the city staff, we’ve been working with them for months now, looking at what is the best use the most adaptable use to this piece of land,” Grimm said. “Will it work out exactly like this? Well, we don’t know yet, because we don’t have all the exact wetland lines.” But he considers the schematic a “pretty good interpretation.”
“What you’re seeing on the plan is a community, a very vibrant community,” Grimm said, referring to the land the city annexed about two decades ago, when Bunnell boasted of becoming one of the largest cities in the state, at least by land mass. But that’s what it was hoping for: that development would follow land acquisition. “It’s just a natural extension of the city. You have your Bunnell downtown right there. And as we move westerly, we are proposing where you see more the red and reddish pink Town Center for the plan. And so if you think of historic districts, walkable historic districts, two-story, three-story buildings, you have your retail on the ground level, a restaurant, maybe an office or an apartment above it, maybe a couple of stories’ apartments. That’s what we are proposing for the Town Center. That’s the red, a very walkable area.”
Grimm said the high density area would bring more people to serve and enjoy town center. Beyond that, as the site goes west, the house lots get bigger, with one or two story single family homes in individual subdivisions or neighborhoods, each of which would have its own small park. About 40 percent of the land would be preserved, much of it being wetlands. There would be recreation areas. Still further west, the lots would be even larger, with one house on each acre, on average (but not necessarily in fact). “All the infrastructure will be paid by the community as it develops out,” he said.
“We’ve been working at the local level and we feel comfortable at the local level,” Grimm said, referring to Bunnell and Flagler County (Adam Mengel, the county’s planning director, was also present.) “Now let’s let’s let the big boys weigh in on us.” Old-Florida sexism aside, calling them “big boys,” however, is a misnomer.
The land use designation is part of Bunnell’s Comprehensive Plan, a comprehensive plan is a local government’s blueprint for how it envisions its lands and development plans in the long run. It is meant to be a binding guide that sets out the community’s wishes for itself. But state law allows for comprehensive plan amendments. Those amendment applications must win state approval, to ensure that local governments aren’t straying too far from their own and their region’s balance between development, conservation and other uses.
Until about 20 years ago, when the state Department of Community Affairs provided strict regulatory oversight on comprehensive plan amendments. As legislatures an governors became more pliant to developers’ demands, the process weakened over the years, until, by 2011, it became a formality. Amendments still go before half a dozen state agencies (such as the Department of Environmental Protection, the Department of Transportation, the regional planning council, and so on). But objections, or even comments, are unusual, leaving amendments almost entirely in the hands of local governments–and reducing comprehensive plans to all but meaningless documents, since they can be vastly altered any time a local government wishes to alter them.
That’s the step a unanimous Bunnell City Commission took Monday evening. The current land use designation of the 2,787 acres in the city’s comprehensive plan is a mixture of agriculture, silviculture and conservation. JM Properties is seeking an amendment of the comprehensive plan to rural estates, low or medium-density single family and apartment buildings, commercial, industrial and public uses.
It’s still early in the process. The Future Land Use Map amendment’s two readings before the commission, and the state’s presumed approval, are step one. Then comes the Planned Unit Development process, which must also be approved by the commission, followed by the developer’s agreement with the city–the stage that includes major infrastructure like water and wastewater treatment facilities, garbage accommodations, road construction–followed by the commission’s plat approval, which includes construction plans. By then, the project will have cleared the land and laid out infrastructure, with the subdivision into lots, construction of homes and selling of homes following. A recession could derail the timeline. But delays don’t cancel whatever regulatory approvals developers get through the commission.
The project is to be phased in, with a project timeline of 10 to 15 years, Parsons said.
Remarkably, the city commissioners had few questions, though they each commented favorably, salivating at the proposal. They’d each met with city staff previously to discuss the plan.
Commissioner John Rogers called the plan a “game-changer for the city of Bunnell.” Commissioner Tina-Marie Schultz considers the plan “well thought-out,” blending in with neighbors already there. “I think the town center is a great idea. You know, the little shops and commercial and things like that. It’s just an extension of our downtown that we already have,” she said. It’s not clear how such a town center would affect Bunnell’s current downtown, which has not been the most vibrant in the county.
Barbara Maloney, a resident who lives near County Road 65, which is along the development, said the main concern is water and traffic on what she sees as an already congested road. “It seems like the the majority of the time, all of the governmental agencies, they wait until everybody just can’t stand to drive through town to expand the roads,” she said. She hopes the city will not wait that long. She was one of only two people who spoke–also a remarkable dearth of public input, considering the city-size caliber of the project.
In fact, Mengel–the county’s planning director–said today, traffic is precisely the county’s concern. But since two major arteries that border the project–State Road 11 and State Road 100–are state roads, the county will be eager to see how the state Transportation Department responds to the comprehensive plan amendment application.
The other person asked whether anyone would be displaced: there will not. Existing residents maintain their property rights.
“This is the very first step in a long series of steps, which will involve numerous public hearings, in which both planning board and the Commission and the public and developer will all have chance to give their input,” City Attorney Paul Waters said. “So we’re at the very beginning of the beginning.”
The commission approved the plan, 4-0. Commissioner Pete Young was absent.
Utterly disgusted says
This is HORRIBLE. There goes what little green space left in our area. I am so sick and sad about this and it’s pure GREED. Where are the animals supposed to live? Our peace and quiet will be completely destroyed.
NativeGirl says
I feel like I’m watching my heritage completely disappear, with tears streaming down my face! I know that development and progress are inevitable. I’m not naive enough to think that this would never happen. I’m just saddened that it’s happening nonetheless.
Dennis C Rathsam says
Looks like Bunnell, has caught the asshollist flu from Palm Coast!
Jerry Scrosia says
This dovetails nicely with the previous article about the Palm Coast (and Flagler…) water quality and supply.
Dan o says
Oh yes what about the water for how many years were we told oh don’t water the lawns save the water I was saving it for these rich bastards that destroy the environment
Confused says
Hmmm not one mention of schools. Guess the existing one will become full of portables
JimboXYZ says
Not that it really matters, they can’t read at their grade levels at Bunnell Elementary anyway.
T says
Funny go there and say that computer warrior
FLNoMore says
I taught at FPC. He’s right and you’re wrong. The schools are horrible in the area and kids are way below grade level in everything except criminal behavior.
Mark says
Ignorant reply, I would expect no less from Jimbo.
Pogo says
@Cast your bread upon the waters
Gov. Rick Scott reverses 25 years of growth management policy
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2011/06/03/gov-rick-scott-reverses-25-years-of-growth-management-policy/29021273007/
T says
Gop destroying America like always they do things behind our backs
Wait WHAT ????? says
Are you kidding? I just love how land zoning changes so many times until it finally results in HIGH DENSITY BULLSHIT!
Thanks to the lawyer(s) that represent the land owners (developers) to bully the gov officials saying “they have a right to do what they want on their land that they own”. Then they present how much $$ all the future building the city &/or county will rake in if they approve the destruction of precious land that is quickly disappearing.
Responsible future growth MY ASS!
JimboXYZ says
Bunnell is watching Mayor Alfin get away with it in Palm Coast. time for new city & county elected government types in Nov 2024 across the board. Klufas is another that seeks a county elected official seat that needs to go find something else to do. He drives a Tesla, so he’ll be wanting more EV charging stations county-wide, touting a Flagler Green New Deal, while they’re all approving acreage of environmental ruination clearing 3,000 acres in Bunnell alone. If you want to see the concept, head on over to Royal Palms Parkway & Town Center Parkway in Palm Coast. Get a good look at I-95 for all the trees that were cut down. Nobody seems to concerned about global warming any more. Just the lies from the vision’s of liars, like we have as a POTUS.
Flagler Beach annexed John Anderson for growth as well. Holland resigned & bailed on Palm Coast, that led to the Alfin era of unfunded growth, higher taxes coming to all.
Mark says
Jimbo forgot to mention that all he spouts about is brought by your local republican leaders.
The dude says
Even worse… our poor misguided Jimbo not only refuses to acknowledge that all the problems he grouses and bitches on about have been caused by MAGA over the last couple decades or so, he actually blames it all on President Biden, from poor draining swales, to beach erosion, to his hemorrhoids and hang nails… all President Biden’s fault, none of it is MAGA’s fault or his fault for slavishly voting MAGA for all these years.
Such is the quandary of MAGA. Inept. Incompetent. Uninterested in actually making the people’s lives better, but laser focused on making the would be great MAGA king’s live better, and leaving a trail of destruction behind them. All the while ducking any accountability, blaming it all on their opponents, and crying like babies.
Can't Stand It Anymore says
This is utterly disgusting. So yeah, what about schools, what about shopping, retail stores? What retail stores, coffee shops, sub shops, stupid stuff shops. I’m guessing all these new people will be flocking to Palm Coast to go shopping. Looks like I will be sitting on my butt doing my shopping on line. Bunnell is Flagler County, I hope I will not be paying for anything associated with this disaster thru my tax bill. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!
Chris says
Well said.
With that many people, where will they shop?
I’m ok if they don’t clear cut all the natural trees and plants.
Make them leave 60% of what’s there.
Laurel says
Nothing is more important than the almighty God of green paper. Residents, you mean nothing to your administrators. Your taxes will increase (probably county taxes too) and people WILL be displaced. “Property rights” belong to investors only.
Bye bye country life.
Pete’s Sake says
The BS of this is that Pete Young has been advocating for this all around town saying how he loves growth and we all need to be quiet about growth that we don’t know what we’re talking about. Pete just skipped the vote because he doesn’t want to be on record about it cause he has political goals. But we know what your saying around town Pete.
Steve says
Welcome to Orlando FPC. When that area is all one big slab of concrete then the powers that be wilk be happy
Red Wood says
Can’t blame this on “Northerners”. Go talk to the Allen family, and the Johnston’s. Good ole Yellowstone! LoL.
Laurel says
Red Wood: Who do you think these developers and real estate people are trying to attract?
Red Wood says
Doesn’t matter who they are attracting. The point is that it’s the old country folk that are the gate keepers to that land so, all these people crying about their heritage and blaming northerners and palm coast for Bunnell’s prospective growth, like I said need to go hollar at the Johnston’s and who’s left of the Allen family they are the ones selling out. Kinda like Z Forehand and her husband crying about growth and northerners coming into Flagler Beach . But, they had no problem cutting that land loose for a couple a million where that new hotel is going.
John says
Wow! I told wife that’s the last straw for me in this area called palm coast! Huge developments, traffic, overpopulation. Not my idea of a nice quiet retirement! Im done! We are selling, moving back to nice small town in Mississippi!
JimboXYZ says
That’s where the Real Estate Industry clean up, for every sale there’s a commission to be made from unhappy sellers. The Mortgage people are collecting from buyers who have to pay a fee to finance. The game of musical housing. he days of of finding more affordable anywhere are long gone. And since every house has doubled in sale/list price it’s a $ 300K+ game of tens of thousands of revenue. Bet Alfin would love to list your home ? He doesn’t care whether you were duped by what Flagler County was portrayed as, an escape from the circus & zoo’s of Metro City, USA. How long it took upon after relocating, that it changed for the worst.
Laurel says
Jimbo: On this, I agree with you. Some people are not going to like what I say, but now some others may have a clue why NY and NJ is not so popular down south. Go to my hometown of Ft. Lauderdale, and see what has happened. It’s hard for you to compare then and now if you weren’t there, but it’s extremely dramatic.
I used to tend bar at a private club, on the 28th floor, called the Tower Club. It was called that because it was the tallest building in Ft. Lauderdale, and quite the spectacle. Now, I cannot even see the building as it is surrounded by many more, larger buildings. My husband and I grew up there, and knew every corner. We went back a few years ago, and actually got lost downtown!
We moved here to get away from the population and the traffic, but guess what? The developers, realtors and their elected buddies have seen this as ground zero for development. They don’t give a shit about green space, wildlife or peaceful living. They will concrete it up, call it “The Preserve” and sell it all out. Should people move out, wonderful! Turnover! More of the green paper God for them.
The fact of the matter is, Jimbo, that these developers and their complicits, are Republicans mostly, and to vote them out is to vote in more of the same, as their other complicits will fill the void. I’m sorry, but it’s true.
Maybe you never can go home, and for some, home is to exploit.
Joe D says
I have only 3 words condensed into ONE….OMG! 😢
JimboXYZ says
New Bunnell vs Old Bunnell. After Nov 2024, Alfin can run for mayor in Bunnell with a vision of growing . Bunnell 5X. A city that has grown to at 3.276 (2020) from 2,676 & fewer (2010 & prior) for decades is now going to be the Utopian City of the future. That’s +600 people over a 10-14 year period is going to find 15,000 more for that 2035 vision. No wonder Staly wants 36+ dozen new deputies. Between Palm Coast & Bunnell with ambitious growth plans Flagler County will fill in like St Augustine did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnell,_Florida
To some extent this reminds me of Nassau County & it Wildlight Community.
https://wildlight.com/
Marty says
I know i heard something about rt 100, belle terra, seminole woods, and the parkway becoming like 13 lanes major roadsways. Must be coming. It will take 30 minutes to go from bunnell to rt 95. Will the huge increase in population! Not to mention all the crime that comes with it
dave says
Well all we can do is thank all of those that are moving into FLa from out of state pushing the need for land development. In 2022 Fla added 319,000 new residents.Looking ahead to 2024, the Florida Chamber Foundation has forecasted another 225,000-275,000 new Floridians in its recently released economic predictions for 2024. Say good bye to green forest and undeveloped land as Fla cities including Palm Coast and Bunnell and Flagler Beach have to make room for your new neighbors. Money and taxes talk, residents, you are already here, so you don’t matter.
David Morse says
We can also thank covid. An event that only proved people didn’t need to come into an office to work & could work anywhere. So why am I going to freeze in the NE when I can live the FL life & have my same job? Or the fact that covid also proved how quick large city populations spread diseases, & how little those local service can help.
Tina olive says
This is why they wanted that new road built from 100 to 1….Build, Build, Build
Atwp says
Don’t forget extra emergency services. More hospitals and medical people are in need. Garbage pickup, street cleaners, parks for families. More polices. This is going to be very interesting to watch as this grand plan unfolds. We will see what happens.
Barbara says
Those that feel negatively impacted should attend the Commissioners meeting when it’s on the agenda. Growth is enviable but the people can influence how that is done. This is all in the planning stages now. What do you want your community to look like? Your city’s representatives will listen if you put forth the effort to communicate.
David Morse says
With this growth will come more crime. Who’s going to move into these homes? Who’s going to vet these people? Bunnell is currently the ghetto of Flagler county.
Joe D says
To DAVID MORSE:
SERIOUSLY? “Who is going to VET these people?
Who “vetted” YOU or your PARENTS when you arrived or were BORN in the area? Let me tell you, these new 6000 homes won’t be very AFFORDABLE or LOW INCOME residences…these are going to be MAXIMUM INVESTOR PROFIT “Luxury” ($$$) properties!
Families of low or moderate incomes won’t be able to afford to stay in the Brunnel area (especially if they are RENTING)…as the prices of these new housing developments go up, so will the prices of “AVERAGE” homes already here. Look at what’s happened since 2021, until now in Flagler Beach especially, and also the SPRAWL of PALM COAST!
I HOPE the community puts some limits on this UNBELIEVABLE EXPANSION, and puts reasonable impact fees for creating supportive infrastructure (police/fire/streets/water/sewer/schools).
This new development is going to squeeze out GENERATIONS of Brunnel residents, who won’t be able to afford the rising regional costs of living in the NEW (? IMPROVED?) BRUNNEL!
The Geode says
FOH! No industry in this or the surrounding counties allows room to pay $2500 a month for “rent”. I know that. You know that. The developers know that they can convert these houses into “section-8” homes and let the government supply them with a lifetime of welfare. THAT is when you are going to see the element of “diversity” and what follows is going to give you your comeuppance. I CAN’T WAIT
Enough Already says
STOP PALM COASTING MY BUNNELL!
Red Wood says
CRY TO YOUR “FOUNDING FLAGLER FAMILIES” THEY’RE THE ONES SELLING YOU OUT!
Skibum says
True! Large landowners who have owned rural land for decades sell to developers and take the $$$ with no second thoughts. So for those who think the problem is solely on the local government leaders, think again. And if you think this growth issue is specific to our area, you are mistaken. Every large city in all 50 states started as small, rural areas. When the population expands due to people moving into this state, where are they going to go when the larger metropolitan areas are already overpopulated? The FL state government is always touting how “great” FL is and wanting people to move here from other states… don’t you think the state government has a responsibility in this? It is not the local area’s fault anywhere in this or in other states when state funded advertising touts how wonderful their state is over others and suggests people move there. The one thing local governments CAN and should do better is to have a long-term growth management plan that makes sure they keep green space and recreational areas in addition to proper road and utility infrastructure built into their planning for the future so it is not an afterthought. But no area, whether here or in any other state will remain rural and untouched by development and growth, I can guarantee you that much!
Erod says
6000 more homes in a town with the infrastructure which only accommodates 1000. This is what happens when greed kicks in.
Has anybody ever asked themselves, WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE EVENTUAL REAL ESTATE AND HOUSING MARKET COLLAPSES ?
WITH INTERESTS RATES APPROACHING THE 1970’s LEVEL OF 10 % AND ACCORDING THE FED WHAT IS FLAGLER COUNTY AS A WHOLE GOING TO DO WHEN THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES WHICH WERE BUILT REMAIN UNSOLD AND ABANDONED ?
WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN HORDES OF SQUATTERS INVADE FLAGLER COUNTY AND THE INEVITABLE OCCUPATION BEGINS ?
WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO FLAGLER ?
Glad to see Commissioner Pennington is keeping her promises by fighting the OVER DEVELOPMENT of Flagler County by voting for the every development proposal and ging the extra mile to accommodate the Flagler County Homebuilders Association.
Wrong says
This is not in front of Flagler County Commission. It was the city of Bunnell. She actually proposed a moratorium that will be on Mondays meeting. Pay attention.
Erod says
What Commissioners meeting ? Do you mean the Flagler 3 starring Hanson, Pennington and O’Brien singing the praises of every Developer that rides into town ?
You mean that meeting.
Erod says
Yeagh sure, she’s only doing that because she knows it’s not going anywhere. Just another CHEAP POLITICAL “SMOKE AND MIRRORS” and by the way I not only pay attention I REMEMBER.
Bye Bye Flagler says
I think you have it wrong. Although your 100% correct about Pennington I think the proper metaphor best describes her is “PLAYING BOTH ENDS FROM THE MIDDLE” !
Nephew Of Uncle Sam says
You all get what you Vote for here in Flagler County, keep doing the same thing over and over then watch the sprawl.
Laurel says
Nephew: Look at the roster! There are 15 Republicans, one Democrat and one NPA. This county has become so red that you cannot get elected unless you are a Republican. Same old, same old. So on and on it goes.
There is a Democratic Party here, put forth some choices for us.! NPAs, go for it, please! Real ones, not Republicans pretending to be Democrats or NPAs.
Maybe we should all start writing in Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and whatever name comes to mind. How about Pat Paulsen? So, when the Republicans get elected, again, at least they will look pitiful.
Mark says
“There is a Democratic Party here, put forth some choices for us.!” Thank you Laurel, you will be pleased to know the Flagler Democratic Party has many choices for the upcoming primary and election, with more to follow. Stay tuned, be informed about your non-partisan races and Vote Blue for a change.
Don says
Looks like Orlando is now here! Going to be packed in like sardines! Take 1/2 hour to drive 2 miles! I think its time to consider a move the hell outta here!
Shark says
Maybe it will be a real town center unlike Palm Coast’s townhouse center !!!
Billy says
Actually, the housing market is crashing! Foreclosures coming, high insurance rate, high mortgage rates, high utilities, high taxes! Within two months, you will see tons and tons of homes for sale at cheaper prices. I noticed on the market stuff has been sitting for two months. everybody is broke, and out of money!
Laurel says
For those who think people won’t be displaced, look what people are already saying now. Do y’all think realtors or developers care if people are displaced? Not hardly. People came down from up north and started griping about trailers here in the Hammock. Right now, I’ll tell you I’d take the trailer folks over the newbies any day.
So, have y’all noticed how white Palm Coast, Flagler Beach and the Hammock are? Do you think that may be a far right draw? I do. The population of blacks here must be 0.002%. The blacks mostly live in Bunnell. I’ve already seen some comments here that are not too complimentary. Do you think they may be displaced like the trailer folk? I would like to hear from some of the black community on this topic of growth, and the possibility of displacement of families who have lived here for generations.
Red Wood says
Is it the “trailers” or is it the rep the Hammock had because of what was going on in and around those trailers? There are several other mobile home/trailer communities in Flagler county that didn’t and don’t have a fraction of the drama the Hammock was known to have. It used to be like a forgotten Gilligan’s Island but not in a good or humorous way.
And don’t drag “the black people” as you say into this. Do you even know where the generational, original black decedents of Flagler county used to even live before the Government so graciously (not) built what’s now called projects or “that side of town”? Don’t worry about “the blacks” the descendants of slaves in this country. They will always find a will and way to survive no matter how much fragility their fellow citizens show.
Laurel says
Red Wood: I can tell you that I felt perfectly safe with the locals here in the Hammock, much more so than I do with all the strangers here now. Much safer than Palm Coast! Now, we have nearly 600 vacation rentals here on the island, and who the hell are they? Strangers coming and going, all hours of the day and night, in our single family residential neighborhoods. The locals here before, we knew who they were. They didn’t bother us, in fact, they looked out for us once we were accepted. The new folks have no interest in community. You can have them, please.
We have a diverse family, so I will worry about whomever I want.
Red Wood says
LOL! Thomas Jefferson had a diverse family as well. Remember (Sally Hemmings???)
Laurel says
Okay, that was just stupid, but I’m sure it made you feel better.
Gary says
I know for a fact many people are moving OUT of palm coast, had enough of the developments! Along with high auto and home insurance,utilities, taxes.
FlaglerLive says
There is always a migration in and out of most places with any sizeable population. But net numbers indicate a net migration into Palm Coast of several thousand people per year, as the latest Census report shows.
Alicia says
Well here ya go. Everyone is complaining and stuff about all the wild life coming through their yards and what not already. We’ll here destroy what little they have now and guess what the day someone gets hurt or killed cus a predator it’s gonna be the animals fault for doing so… why not just go ahead and put poison in a huge pile of human food out in the woods and let nature take its toll. That be more humane, than waiting till an attack happens. Why not just make all wildlife and its beauty go extinct now?????? Oh wait that’s the plan all along right????
Honestly in Florida not including the wet lands that’s impossible to build on, how many acres are there that’s untouched. That’s not included the woods that have (FOR SALE) signs posted… WHAT THE ACTUAL F*** IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE?????? Yes having a house and a place to live is great but how about yall think of the animals who are dying or been killed cus that was their homes????? For example Flagler beach on 12th st. I think a couple had a big black bear in the back yard trying to find its home or food
Dennis C Rathsam says
All we need now is a ferris wheel!
Laurel says
Dennis: It’s coming with the cheeseburger in paradise.
ROBERT L NASSER says
sad that people sold out follow the money trail it will always reveal the truth both the wild animals and the humankind will struggle to survive why the money grubbers will prosper because it’s not like there affected Iam a military vet and its sad how poorly this country conducts business anymore with lies corruption and deceit what did I fight for makes my ptsd act up