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Proposed Old Kings Village’s 205-Home Subdivision Still Clashing With Polo Club West’s Cling to Old Florida

January 4, 2024 | FlaglerLive | 24 Comments

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One of the sticking points: Polo Club West residents want a fence separating them from the proposed 205-home subdivision to run along the entirety of the green border, on the right, around their properties. Old Kings Village is proposing to built a fence straight up along Secretariat Lane, essentially cutting off its own parcel, which Polo Club West finds unacceptable. (Flagler County Property Appraiser)

Old Kings Village, the proposed 205-home subdivision on 60 acres just west of Polo Club West, went before the Palm Coast City Council for approval for the third time in four months Tuesday, and went away without final approval yet again. A fence is almost literally preventing a resolution.

But not just a fence: tree-protection and compatibility remain obstacles, if not to an approval by the council, then certainly to acceptance by residents of Polo Club West. Those properties each lush and lounge over 5 acres, while Old Kings Village’s properties will be a grid of comparatively tiny 6,000-square-foot lots, or less than a fifth of an acre each. The typical ITT-style lot in Palm Coast is a quarter acre.




The clash, in other words, has as much to do with the opaque minutiae of land-use regulations as it does with something anyone in Palm Coast and Flagler County can relate to: what kind of community do residents want for themselves, and how far should the city go to change zoning and land use designations that result in two vastly different subdivisions–one densely packed with homes, one not, with a rapidly increasing population adding its own pressures on diminishing green spaces.

It is also a clash of castes and cultures: Polo Club West is a well to do if very sparsely populated subdivision of homeowners–many of them recent, some of them not so much–clinging to an Old Florida feel, though most of the lots have yet to be built up. Old Kings Village’s homes would sell to fixed-income middle class retirees looking to downsize, cashing in on a previous home sale and moving into something and somewhere convenient: stately trees and mossy vistas are not the priority: Perhaps many of its residents aside, there’ll be nothing old about Old Kings Village.

Old Kings Village would be built on land owned by Geosam Capital US (Florida), land recently annexed by Palm Coast. The developer is requesting a change in the acreage’s land-use designation, both through the comprehensive plan and the city’s zoning. A comprehensive plan change must meet certain standards. Among them: the change must be compatible with surrounding areas.




When the land was under the county’s jurisdiction, a previous version of Old Kings Village had, in 2007, already won approval as a so-called Planned Unit Development of 159 houses on 50-foot-wide lots and 72 town homes, 231 homes total. (A small portion of the acreage–36,000 square feet–is reserved for commercial uses.) So in a sense, the proposal had already scaled the compatibility obstacle.

It’s in play again because now that Palm Coast has annexed the land, the developer wants it to approve a comprehensive plan change from low-density residential to mere residential, and to change from a PUD to a straight residential zoning, which lessens the sort of conditions the city could impose, and could potentially erase the conditions the county had imposed.

Polo Club West had made its peace with Old Kings Village as a PUD because that agreement came with a very long list of conditions. In a letter to Palm Coast City Manager Denise Bevan, County Administrator Heidi Petito last October said the proposal has a “complex history,” and that the county “has an expectation that the requirements from the Old Kings Village PUD will be substantially identical in the City’s iteration of the project,” even though, Petito conceded, it is “doubtful” that can be the case with straight zoning. But, Petito wrote, if the county entitled the project as a PUD, it was because of those conditions. “Removing the PUD from the project–like any PUD zoning–would significantly limit the entitlements within the County.”




What that means to Polo Club West and the subdivision’s attorney, Dennis Bayer, is that the Old Kings Village developer cannot claim that the same compatibility that existed in 2007 exists now–not if the developer doesn’t abide by strict conditions. City Council member Theresa Pontieri has kept the Petito letter under everyone’s noses. “When we annex property in from the county we just want to make sure we’re not undermining the county or in any way clashing with them. We want to make sure we’re working with them,” Pontieri said.

For the most part, Senior Palm Coast Planner Bill Hoover said, the two sides have worked out their differences. A draft agreement is in the works that “would take care of some of the other issues” in the county’s PUD. Putting it optimistically, he said 75 to 80 percent of the issues would be addressed. He did not say what remaining 20 to 25 percent would not be addressed.

But those 20 to 25 percent proved to be a persistent sticking point, as Bayer and Polo Club West residents made clear to the council Tuesday. They, too, thought all issues had been resolved, especially after a community meeting with Old Kings Village’s representatives on Dec. 17. That turned out not to be the case.

“We had an agreement. We all walked out of there with an agreement,” Dave Dixon said of the Dec. 17 meeting. “And then we come here tonight. And that agreement is no longer on the table. [The Old Kings Village attorney] pulled the fencing and put in some other verbiage in the agreement. So we have to postpone this another two weeks.” Others echoed Dixon’s interpretation.




“We seem to have taken one step forward and two steps back with us,” Polo Club West resident John Duncan said. Since the last time the matter was before the council, when a postponement was decided to give the two sides time to talk, a seemingly productive community meeting took place, but communications then stopped cold, until the developer produced a new proposal on Tuesday, with a retreat a key issue: where the Old Kings Village developer should build a fence separating one Polo Club West property from the village. There are also remaining disagreements about buffers and the preservation of trees.

Bayer got the revised agreement only Tuesday afternoon, with that fencing issue unresolved. Two deaf children live with their parents at that Polo Club West property. The homeowners there naturally want the subdivision’s developer to build a protective fence. “We had an agreement that the fence would go up and around the corner of that lot. And today we found out that that was not going to be the case. So we think that’s still a significant issue,” Bayer said.

“There’s a couple of other language issues that Mr. Chiumento and I talked about this evening, that we do not have an agreement. And if we don’t have an agreement, I’ll reserve my additional comments as to why we think that the future land use map Amendment should be denied.” Michael Chiumento is the land use attorney representing the developer.

Council member Ed Danko wondered why the existing property owners couldn’t build the portion of fencing that the subdivision developer will not. “You’re putting in a development that is 10 times more dense in lot size than my clients’ existing five-acre lots. So they’re the ones that are creating incompatibility,” Bayer said. “So the onus should be on the person that’s creating incompatibility to provide the buffering and provide the fencing.”




And Hoover himself cautioned that the city cannot rely on its land development code to enforce conditions the council is not willing to impose. “I’m not sure if they sold the property to somebody else,” Hoover said, “then worst case scenario, would that new person have to meet those standards on a subdivision master plan? Probably not.”

Nor could the council approve the land use matters Tuesday conditional on the lawyers working things out later. Either the matters are approved, or they’re not. Conditions are inapplicable.

Bayer thought there’d be an agreement with Chiumento on Tuesday. There wasn’t, reviving incompatibility problems. If the hearing was not postponed, “then you’re going to be hearing quite a few comments on compatibility and other issues that will take this meeting on for another few hours if that’s what you want to do,” Bayer told the council.

Chiumento put it this way: “There is a legal document that was being drafted between the parties and we are wordsmithing that, so yes, there were some changes as it relates to the fence issue. I’m not sure. I can’t tell you with certainty whether my client agreed to what they thought they agreed to, or whether it was any question, but remember there has been great efforts to provide fencing along there to protect residents from our community from entering into their community. One resident doesn’t like its location. The developer proposed an alternative location. But remember, there’s also been many, many other concessions in this agreement.”

Chiumento said the land owner “has committed to solving their issues. But they have to recognize that they may not get 100 percent of whatever they may have wanted or everybody in that community, but we’re willing to stick it out and work through this.”




It’s not just the fence. The 60 acres have 245 specimen oak trees: how will they be protected? That’s still a mystery. The current, submitted plan for the subdivision, showing the layout of the tightly-cropped lots, leaves no room for those trees. “In good faith, given the seriousness of the issues, it’s not just about the fence. There’s a lot of other issues here that need to be addressed,” Bayer said. When Alfin challenged Bayer on the claim that the trees would be eliminated, Bayer pointed him to the subdivision plan, to which Alfin curtly replied: “so that’s your opinion.” But it wasn’t: the subdivision plan is a fact, in the city’s hands, as submitted by the developer.

As if in counterpoint to Alfin’s dismissal, Kara Dixon, a Polo Club West resident, shortly afterward read an unsourced document describing her subdivision: “The Polo Club charter dictates that the natural environment has been immaculately preserved to retain the beauty of Old World Florida, the abundant forest with towering oak trees and natural vegetation has created a setting uncommon in the local community. These features combined with waterfront home sites along Bulow Creek make the Flagler Beach Polo Club West one of the finest environmentally sensitive communities in Florida. So when our attorney was talking about trees, those trees are really important in our area.”

Polo Club West residents were appealing to council members not to atomize their decision into parts that, while legally defensible within themselves, at least according to the letter of the law (or the comprehensive plan), would still violate the spirit of the plan.

Bayer had requested the item be delayed until January 16. The council granted the request unanimously.

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Comments

  1. Chris says

    January 4, 2024 at 6:03 pm

    Citizens of pc need to fight against these corrupt politicians! Dont give in a inch!

  2. Steve Vanne says

    January 4, 2024 at 11:30 pm

    Why waste time, you know there approve this. All about money. They could care less about what the people wants..

  3. The Sour Kraut says

    January 5, 2024 at 5:50 am

    Alfin has to go!

  4. Greg says

    January 5, 2024 at 6:00 am

    Agreed. All the city cares about is tax dollars. With a board full of realtors, you are all but guaranteed to lose. These people need to be voted out next election.

  5. Dan says

    January 5, 2024 at 6:16 am

    They are destroying palm coast from all sides with low income residents. I want to move. I bet flagler live loves the low income destruction of old palm coast

  6. JC says

    January 5, 2024 at 7:23 am

    Huh? You can’t be low income to afford these housing prices.

  7. Wow says

    January 5, 2024 at 9:20 am

    Yeah those poor people and their four story beach mansions are just awful.

  8. George says

    January 5, 2024 at 9:21 am

    It is the Mayor who is bringing in all his development buddies to build, build build. Stop with this building and correct the traffic sitution.
    This is poor planning at its best.

  9. Me says

    January 5, 2024 at 9:22 am

    Got that right, he has destroyed PC.

  10. Laurel says

    January 5, 2024 at 9:42 am

    You know what’s really sad? We originally moved here, from South Florida, because it reminded us of old Florida. We were both born and raised in Florida, and watched it be rapidly degraded by developers. It is even more unrecognizable to us now! So, we were happy to find a forgotten area, that was still green, still had wildlife and still felt like Florida. That was the whole reason we moved here.

    Business is more important than your pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

    The whole affordable thing is a joke. The Neo-Republicans are working to take away, not only local rule, but self rule of all of Florida. They are currently setting it up so that vacation rental companies will own Florida, and not only will local government have no say regarding regulation of party houses, but neither will the state. Hang on to your hats, folks, your neighborhoods will no longer be yours.

    Developers and multi-billion dollar businesses hate green land as it interferes with their green paper. How sad, not only for us, but for them as well. The difference is, they don’t understand what they are losing.

  11. MAT Talley says

    January 5, 2024 at 10:00 am

    It’s such a tragedy what these elected real estate agents are doing to our community. In future elections, any candidate(s) with any affiliation to real estate, must not be elected, or given any official government position, or we will end up with townhouses in the median strip on Palm Coast Parkway. Shame on all of them. VOTE THEM OUT!

  12. Concerned PC Citizen says

    January 5, 2024 at 10:11 am

    After watching this on the website my most concerning thought is how Mayor Aflin treated the representation of the Polo Club West Association! Did anyone else watch it ! It was an absolutely disgusting performance by our so called Mayor ! Give them the fence for crying out loud! And after hearing City Staff say they also left a meeting with the understanding there was an agreement and listening to the developers attorney basically say they didn’t or don’t know what they thought they heard ? I can’t speak for anyone but myself but we need to seriously watch who we vote for in this next election for our City Council!

  13. Geri Kail says

    January 5, 2024 at 10:49 am

    As a native Floridian, I have learned to accept growth. But why, now that we know how vital big trees are in absorbing carbons, can we not at least expect developers to work around them? Most of us feel that we are powerless in helping to protect the environment. But our county government has an enormous opportunity to change the way development is done. It holds all the cards. Allowing developers to strip the land is unnecessary, and therefore indefensible. In terms of tax base, this county is blessed with growth. In terms of quality of life, this county is blessed with natural beauty. Can’t we insist on a balance? Or is it just going to continue to be the American way that we worship the almighty dollar above all else?

  14. Concerned Flagler County Constituent says

    January 5, 2024 at 11:00 am

    Isn’t the land development codes purpose and intent for neighborhood compatibility standards to protect the character of existing residential neighborhoods from potentially adverse impacts resulting from more intense and incompatible adjacent forms of development? Why is the purpose of these guidelines when they are clearly not followed. Very puzzling and destructive to our area.

  15. RCH says

    January 5, 2024 at 11:39 am

    Where the heck is Polo Club West?

  16. Ed says

    January 5, 2024 at 12:47 pm

    Lol….
    Did Gallop got this wrong too?
    Least Trustworthy
    1. Members of Congress
    2. Telemarketers
    3. Car salespeople
    4. Journalists
    5. Advertising practitioners
    6. Business executives

    Maybe they didn’t include any Palm Coasters in their polling.

  17. Concerned Flagler County Constituent says

    January 5, 2024 at 1:26 pm

    Very well spoken, thanks for sharing your comment. Our country is supposedly going “green” Flagler County it appears only on paper…….

  18. Jane Gentile-Youd says

    January 5, 2024 at 2:39 pm

    My mantra as a former Zoning Board Member in South Florida ( NW Miami-Dade) ( I am a Realtor i44 years all for protecting our environment) was ” If it ain’t consistent, compatible and and necessary ” I always voted NO! I live in unincorporated county but do 90% of all my shopping in Palm Coast, Bunnell and do my best to help our local economy. I refuse to use the self check-outs because they are taking jobs away from p e o p l e.

    We the People have been forgotten by most of Palm Coast and the county in my opinion and the result is depressing, degrading, disrespectful to those of us who came here for a better quality of life. Soon completing 22 years as a homeowner here I am beyond disgusted at the total disrespect , arrogance and greed I see growing daily in front of me. WE THE PEOPLE should be number 1 all the time.

    I tried to be a voice and lost terribly but I still care the same as I have about trying to save what is barely left outside my gated community. The traffic in Palm Coast is deplorable and my heart goes out to everyone, all of us, who are being jammed into roads that cannot sustain one more car let alone hundreds of u n n e c e s s a r y homes.

    In the meantime we have piles of garbage, buildings which should have been torn down, local businesses closing and those in power ( few exceptions – Theresa Pontieri is one) don’t give a rat’s ass about anything green except the almighty dollar. Very sad. Congratulations to Joy Cook and her gang for putting Chiumento in his place again. There is a sliver of hope trying to emerge.

  19. TR says

    January 5, 2024 at 4:11 pm

    It’s a development off Old Kings Rd. South. the entrance is from Old kings Rd S and I believe goes to where that new ugly walk across bridge is on RT.100 going to the beach. Oh and here’s a surprise, it’s a gated community with I believe 5 acre lots. I did a job in there this past year, I wasn’t impressed.

  20. jeffery c. seib says

    January 6, 2024 at 11:10 am

    This destruction of Palm Coast didn’t just begin with Mayor Alfin. Unfortunately for us, there has been a long line of mayors willing to do the bidding of the developers over the concerns of residents. In 2016 city staff and the Planning Board, at the behest of developers, rammed through the Land Development Code (LDC) changes that effectively weakened the natural physical appearance of all commercial landscaping in the city. The only hope I have is that we can slow this train down by electing city council people that listen to the public more then they listen to the developers.

  21. FPW resident says

    January 7, 2024 at 9:14 am

    This community does not go to the walk bridge . This community backs up to Bulow Creek . There is one way in /one way out . We moved into PCW for the beautiful old oaks the isolation and the security. I’m sorry you weren’t impressed but we think this is one of the nicest hidden treasures of Flagler County . We are not millionaires who live in 3 story houses as mentioned above. We are all hard working people who did everything they could to get in here to get away from the craziness that’s happening in other areas . We do appreciate all the support. Thanks everyone.

  22. palmcoaster says

    January 8, 2024 at 12:17 am

    To the contrary TR “I am very impressed “by the hard working people of that “gated community as are teaching as a lesson of determination fighting for their quality of life and the surrounding zoning that they originally bought their properties!
    What do you have against 5 acre equine lots ? They provided with a job right?

  23. TR says

    January 8, 2024 at 8:30 pm

    I’m glad you like it where you are, but enjoy it while you can because sooner or later your nice hidden treasure will no longer be hidden.

  24. TR says

    January 8, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    Never said I had anything against 5 acre lots. Was just offering info to RCH who asked where PCW was.
    Glad you like it there, enjoy.

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