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Obamacare Will Survive. Obama and Democrats, Maybe Not So Much.

| November 17, 2013

Even the White House photographer, who took this shot,  sees how the Affordable Care Act's website rollout has upended Obama's presidency.

Even the White House photographer, who took this shot, sees how the Affordable Care Act’s website rollout has upended Obama’s presidency.

Some years from now, perhaps sooner, perhaps later, the Affordable Care Act will be a universally-accepted part of our health-care system, and decent, affordable medical insurance for all citizens living in the richest country in the world will be woven into the American fabric. Most certainly, the law will not be the same as it is today, as tweaks and even major overhauls become necessary. But the nightmare of a lengthy illness that devours your life savings will be a relic of a dark past.

Like most of you, I am dumbfounded by the Obama administration’s inability to construct a working Website for enrollment. I am also at a loss to understand the president’s inexcusable failure to recognize that if an existing policy did not meet the minimum standards of the Affordable Care Act, it would be cancelled, and the replacement would be more expensive–in some cases much more expensive.

The rollout of the derisively-named Obamacare has been called a disaster, a catastrophe. A wise person caught me up short the other day: The typhoon that hit the Philippines, she said, is a disaster, a catastrophe. The botched implementation of a hugely ambitious new law, one which was fought tooth and nail by Republicans, many of whom are still committed to destroying it, is a major problem—but problems can be fixed. And whether Republicans step up to make themselves part of the solution, or continue to do nothing but attack the law in its entirety, will probably determine just how quickly the law and its infrastructure can begin to work.

It is difficult indeed to comprehend the magnitude of these problems. It is even more difficult to understand why Obama is not as angry as those whose policies have been cancelled. Obama is often criticized as aloof, and while no one expects a president to roll up his sleeves and hunker down with the website’s programmers, one would expect that he’d have demanded daily updates on how the construction of the site was progressing—or not progressing. If he was spared the bad news, then a lot of heads should roll. If he was told the truth, and ordered his troops to proceed apace, he must shoulder the blame.

The law’s rocky debut has refocused attention on whether Obama, intellectually gifted though he may be, was ready to be the country’s chief executive. With a bit more seasoning, it’s possible that he might have assembled a team that relied less on old Washington hands than on new blood–innovators not afraid to think out of the box. Exhibit A is the kerfuffle over Ben Bernanke’s successor as chairman of the Federal Reserve: Only a loud chorus of criticism from his own party finally moved Obama to deny the job to Larry Summers, whose laissez-faire approach to oversight of the financial industry was an inevitable precursor to the Great Recession.
It’s important to remember though that legislation as bold as the Affordable Care Act rarely enjoys a smooth debut. An essay on by a historian named Stephen Mihm recalls that the 1965 rollout of Medicare was beset by issues that were “threatening to imperil the program.”

“For starters,” writes Mihm, “few in the government seem to have realized that more than 45 percent of those born between 1890 and 1920 couldn’t prove their age because they lacked birth certificates.” What’s more, “As the date for Medicare’s formal beginning approached, more serious problems cropped up. The most serious was a campaign by many doctors to boycott the program… The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, organized to combat ‘socialized medicine,’ came out against the law, urging ‘nonparticipation.’ The organization predicted that 50,000 doctors nationwide would refuse to play ball.” Yet here we are, nearly half a century later, with a security blanket for senior citizens that is embraced by all, even as legislators on both the left and right acknowledge that the cost of delivering medical care must be reined in.

Putting ideology aside, Americans will not stand for incompetence in their political leaders. And if the Affordable Care Act is still not running smoothly when the next presidential campaign heats up, the beneficiary could well be an extremist like Ted Cruz, demagoguing against the excesses and the failures of Washington.

Just as Watergate and Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon gave us Jimmy Carter, Carter’s feckless administration opened the gates for Ronald Reagan. The desire to embrace Barack Obama, a young, untested candidate, was a rebellion of sorts against the clueless eight years of George Bush, who failed miserably in managing the aftermath of the Iraq war, even with a corporate go-to guy like Donald Rumsfeld leading the way.

In the long run, the Affordable Care Act and universal coverage will survive, and the current partisan wrangling over the law will fade into history. In the short term though, Obama’s ability to douse the flames will not only determine his legacy, but will also go a long way toward determining which party is in control after Election Day, 2016.

Steve Robinson moved to Flagler County after a 30-year career in New York and Atlanta in print, TV and the Web. Reach him by email here.

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36 Responses for “Obamacare Will Survive. Obama and Democrats, Maybe Not So Much.”

  1. m&m says:

    I hope all the people that dislike Obamacare will vote the politicians out who voted for it..

  2. Big Red One says:

    Another article of socialist agenda praising from the same liberal loser. Obamacare WILL NOT survive and will be a distance NIGHTMARE in 3 years. By that time, the liberal agenda will have DESTROYED what is left of our country. Then, it will be “survival of the fittest” and America will crumble like the Berlin Wall !!!

    • Reaganomicon says:

      Social security, medicare, and medicaid are all social evil libruul socialist pinko programs. I trust that you have chosen to decline them, being the civic-minded conservative gentleman that you clearly are. Also, I think you have the wrong party because survival of the fittest is free market mantra and the basis behind conservative social and fiscal policy.

  3. Outsider says:

    Some of us recognized Obama’s lack of experience and character flaws before he was elected, but were called racists simply for understanding that a guy with not so much business experience as running a lemonade stand was not the person to take charge of the world’s largest, most complicated economy in the world in one of it’s most dire situations. His leftist, and not so savory associates, such as Bill Ayres and Tony Rezko did nothing to quell my doubts and rants. His Chicago style politics were clearly evident when he bribed, cajoled, and simply threatened his fellow Democrats into passing this boondoggle in the first place. He often demanded a bill be put on his desk for him to sign (and take all the credit) by such and such date, which was usually just after he returned from a family junket funded by the taxpayers. His numerous “present” votes in the Illinois and U.S. Senates were insights into what the future would hold for a man who could not make a difficult decision. Think the six months it took him to decide on “the surge” in Afghanistan, his years long and counting decision (or lack of) on the Keystone XL pipeline, and the waffling on attacking Syria. Yes, all of these faults were evident to anyone who didn’t subscribe to the diversity at any cost philosophy, who’s desire to see the first black president overwhelmed any common sense they may have possessed. Well, you got your “eloquent, clean” black guy “with no negro dialect” who, predictably can’t manage a one car funeral. While I’m no fan of Hillary’s, particularly after Benghazi, you could have had a qualified president, who would have the experience to get her agenda accomplished, your political “first” in electing a woman, but instead chose a buffoon. You got what you asked for; unfortunately, everyone else got it too.

  4. Duey says:

    Obama care is a turd. Sorry. no better word in English can describe it. Given a choice of bureaucrat or employee, most Americans will chose the non government to run things. Show me that I’m wrong, tell me of one government program or thing it’s dome in the last 20 years that it’s gotten it right? WW2 was the last thing that the US government done successfully.
    People who work and have health care are just now seeing the effects of this turd. Higher rates, higher deductibles and less choices of doctors. If they didn’t vote last time, they will vote in the next few elections. They now see what democrats are about and it has or will cost them money. People are out for blood and they know which party is at fault.


  5. Steve Wolfe says:

    Oh my, where to start….

    How about, “Obama, intellectually gifted though he may be…” Who among us still believes he is anything more than an intellectual midget? Honestly, if he is so intelligent, then why have his college transcripts been hidden from his adoring fans? Afraid of what people may learn about him? Why has it been so difficult for people to grasp the fact that Obama has always been unprepared for the world stage? Without reading what his political handlers tell him to say on his teleprompter, he is completely unable to put two words together without stammering and searching. You may like to excuse his detachment as being simply “aloof,” which is acceptable to those who worship him and love to live in the illusion of his intelligence. Really, folks. You like to call George W. Bush a boob. Come on. It is true that Obama was catapulted into office because he was the anti-Bush. There is always voter fatigue after eight years of anyone, with the exception of Ronald Reagan and FDR.

    Then there is the assertion that Medicare is now on rails because it outlasted opposition. As near as I can tell, Medicare is on life support, nearly bankrupt, and Obama robbed Medicare of half a trillion dollars in order to pump up his medical miracle bill, even though Obamacare (which is aptly named), is supported by an enormous sum of both hidden and apparent taxes in addition to premiums. It is no coincidence that the IRS has been put in charge of collecting money to support Obamacare. It is a huge tax program that masquerades as a cure for the shortcomings of the medical insurance industry. It is also no surprise, then, that Obamacare has performed poorly out of the gate, unable to provide what it was intended to do. It is also no surprise that the Obama Administration is clueless about the details of the medical insurance industry, since the real purpose, the part that will succeed, is the collection of vast sums of personal income to then be redistributed. Obama did, after all, reveal during his first campaign to “Joe the Plumber,” that there’s nothing wrong with “spreading the wealth.” Perhaps that was a little slip that allowed a peak of the “man behind that curtain.”

    Then there’s the insurance policy of this editorial, which is to declare that anyone who opposes this fiscal insanity is “radical.” Let’s not forget that to a Capitalist system, Socialism is radical. Redistribution is just another word for it. The sleeping members of our society, those who have no ear for the warnings of history, or the vision to see where an ever-growing monster of Federal Government is taking this nation, may be fooled by slogans and labeling of the men and women who are sounding the alarm. The sleepers may be entertained by the sophomoric slander spewed by liberals who want this nation to turn into a socialist dream. If there isn’t an awakening to the reality that this is a Constitutional Republic, formulated by men who were indeed radicals, men of truly high intellect, who put their lives and their fortunes on the line to overcome the tyranny of out-of-control government, then we will soon fall into the malaise of Socialism through neglect.

    • Anonymous says:

      Explain if you can how turning our health care system over to the Insurance companies is socialism.
      It’s big business not big Govt, and just in case you haven’t noticed, the redistribution that you fear has already occurred. while you and others worry about socialism, the predatory capitalist crooks have stolen the wealth of the country in a class war that has used such nonsensical fear of socialism to cover their theft.
      In all of the hysteria about Obamacare I have not heard one insurance co executive complain. What does that tell you?

    • JIM.R says:

      Explain if you can how turning the health care system to the insurance companies is socialism, there is no big outcry by the insurance industry. why would they complain when they are being handed millions of new customers. It’s big business not big govt.
      That redistribution you fear has already taken place, there has been a class war going on for the last 40 years and those on the top have reaped the rewards through their purchase of our politicians and the media. The very idea that it’s socialism that we should be worried about verges on the hilarious, the upward flow of wealth and the shrinking middle class is a result of out of control predatory capitalism.
      Deregulation is the capitalists wet dream and that is why our economy is functioning as a gravy train for the rich, while the rest are either unemployed or worried about losing their jobs.
      I’ll gladly take a little socialism instead of this wealth inequality that is destroying our democracy.

  6. I/M/O says:

    Let’s look at this statement in his article. ““For starters,” writes Mihm, “few in the government seem to have realized that more than 45 percent of those born between 1890 and 1920 couldn’t prove their age because they lacked birth certificates.”

    Most major cities in this nation as well as most states started recording birth, marriage and death certificates in the 1860’s.

    The 1900 Census recorded the month and year of every person’s birth on the census sheet.

    The 1910, 1920, 1930, 1940, 1950, 1960 census also recorded at the least a person’s year of birth and very often a person’s entire date of birth.

    Then of course the federal government had Social Security records.

    The WWI Draft Registrations recorded every male’s exact date of birth for men between the ages of 18 and 46. a total ,of 98% of all men in this nation registered for the draft in 1917 and 1918.

    WWII enlistments and draft registration recorded full dates of birth.

  7. I/M/O says:

    Mr. Robinson let me sum up what the AHCA is really all about.

    It is exactly like the property tax system. Local municipalities and counties know exactly when to raise property taxes to increase their revenues.

    That is exactly what the federal government is building with their AHCA system. By mandating proof of insurance and medical costs for each year they will know exactly how much to raise premiums to maintain What they consider a proper revenue stream.

    They have turned American citizens health care insurance premiums into another tax revenue source.

    It never was and never will be about giving people adequate health insurance.

    It is all smoke and mirrors. A family of 4 living in Palm Coast, Florida with a gross (not take home) income of $60,000 a year will have their choice of a federal exchange Platinum, Gold, Silver or Bronze plan. Platinum will pay 90% of a families health care expenses but will cost that family approximately $678 a month with taxpayers subsidizing that family with $604 a month. Gold and Silver plans will cost them less although hundreds of dollars a month.

    But the Bronze Plan (the government basic plan) will only cost them approximately $40 a month out of pocket with the taxpayers subsidizing the rest. But the family will be in compliance with the mandate.

    So what is the problem you ask? The Bronze Plan only pays 60% of the families health care costs. They are responsible for the other 40% of their medical and hospital bills. The last report on the cost of hospital stay in this nation was done in 2010 and advised that it cost $9700 a day to be in a hospital. So a 5 day stay in a hospital would cost $48,500.00 Their Bronze Plan will pay $29,100 of that bill. They will be responsible for the other $19,400.

    Now tell me where this family gets the $19,400? Then of course when all is supposedly said and done there will still be 31 million people in this nation without any health care insurance.

    This is what you should have been writing an article about. Your democrats lied. Matter of fact democrat Senator Gillibrand out of New York stated today on the ABC Sunday news show that every democrat Senator knew they were lying about ObamCare. EVERY ONE OF THEM. Why would she make such a confession? Here is the video of her confession.

    • Genie says:

      The best way to raise revenue in this country, and not have to naturalize MILLIONS of illegals to do it, is to put in place a flat tax or fair tax. That way, ALL ARE PAYING TAXES, it won’t cost ANYBODY JOBS, except perhaps the IRS. And Amnesty won’t be necessary.

      For what we have spent on this monster, every poor family in America could have bought a house, paid for college for the kids and bought an insurance policy to cover the entire family.

      This has been a disaster and the hemorrhaging is just beginning.

  8. ohmy says:

    So, the author is ” dumbfounded” and “at a loss”.

    Ever consider this entire law needs to be repealed and rewritten to achieve it’s worthy goals but keep the Federal Government out of ” controlling” the entire system?

  9. confidential says:

    The bashing of Obamacare is shameful…. What about, except Senator Nelson of Florida, no one talks about the Florida Economic Department run unemployment web site that is not working either….how is supposed people to live unemployed without their earned unemployment benefits pay checks?
    How come I have a friend that just was able to get for a family of 3 making less than 78,000 a year Obamacare insurance coverage for $400/month total and a deductible of 2,200 each member for mayor medical. My friend was paying over $700 a month for just the two family members and only for catastrophic coverage and a 5,000 deductible, no annuals doctors visits no emergency sickness covered, plus was 400/month the full time working family member work insurance provided . Now they only pay $400 a month for the whole family, quiet a savings. My friend said now I have a great relief of worrying so much like in the past 30 years for the health and constantly increase cost and less benefits for my husband and daughter insurance.
    Stop bashing Obamacare like they did before with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
    Let this program work, give it the time it needs to fix the website and call the 1800 numbers!!

    • Genie says:

      @ confidential: Perhaps if your friend got such a good deal you would not mind sharing the details of WHICH PLAN THAT IS in order to help others?

      Details, please!

  10. karma says:

    Ted Cruz warned this Nation about Obama care and now he is an extremist. Obama lied to everyone for years knowing people would lose their health coverage. This law is nothing more than wealth distribution from the middle class to the lower class. To make this law work, This administration knew people who pay for their health care would be the ones subsidizing the ones that do not pay. This is only the tip of the iceberg, do you really think the employer mandate was postponed until after the 2014 elections was just coincidence? Many employer plans have increased already this year.
    When ever you hear a Democrat talk about the middle class, remember they are 100% to blame for Obama care and the ones taking money out of your pay check. Now we learn 1000’s of doctors will be dropped by some of the major insures because that underfunding of Medicare Advantage plans for the elderly could not be fully offset by the company’s other healthcare business.

    • A.S.F. says:

      @karma says–Oh, yes, Karma…President Obama has been burning the midnight oil (“for years”, as you say), plotting ways to lie to the American people and take away their healthcare and everything they have worked for, so he can forward his Socialist agenda. Never mind that he has met (or tried to meet) countless times with Republicans and the Major Insurers to try to work out compromises that they may find acceptable for THEIR purposes (some of which many of us, in his own party, felt went too far to the right.) And still, those parties refuse to cooperate. They look for any loophole that they might exploit that may be in their own fiscal best interest, while working against what is in the vital interests of their constituents and consumers. But, they are the HEROES, right, working night and day for you and me? Even better, THEY are the maligned victims of that evil scheming Obama and those elitist Democrats! They cannot WAIT for healthcare Reform to fail, so they can go back to their accustomed profit patterns and serve the special interests that donate so heavily to their campaigns (and sometimes offer them very highly paid employment once their congressional terms are up.) Middle class and lower middle class people who have this delusional belief that these people are in their corner should have their IQ’s, as well as their eyesight, checked…If their insurance will pay for it…which, as it has traditionally stood, probably won’t. And people on Medicare, who falsely beiieve and/or claim that they are being so terribly hurt or threatened by the healthcare reform measures that are being taken on behalf of the rest of our nation’s citizens need to get a grip. Age doesn’t give anyone the right to discriminate against others in the name of their own self-interest. If they continue to show such blatant disregard for the welfare of younger generations, they should not expect those same generations to be willing to keep supporting THEM in comfort.

  11. Harley dude says:

    You say Ted Cruz is a extremist? Obama is the clear extremist.

  12. m&m says:

    Political EGO’s keep from getting anything done with this piece of crap..

  13. Reality Check says:

    The Affordable Healthcare Act is basically strong arming the citizen of our country. Its unconstitutional to force citizens to purchase anything!!! Let alone insurance. This is the start of a socialistic society. So what else are they going to force people to buy or do? Where is our democracy. Our right to choose what we want and don’t want. It should be your own choice, decision if you buy insurance, what plan you buy. No one should be penalized for not buying health insurance. It allows the IRS to tax you 1% of adjusted gross income, but no less than $95 per adult/$47.50 per child in 2013. These taxes rise in 2015 and 2016. I’m am all for affordale healthcare and its a great idea to make it available for those who want it, but to tax those that don’t want it or have it is nothing less than communistic. The government is already in debt $17 trillion plus so who will pay for this debacle. Its been a proven fact that the more you allow the government to meddle in your lives the less control you will have for making your own decisions and choices in your own lives. Wake up people before you find yourself living by dictatorship. The Affordable Healthcare Act should be looking for ways to get the insurance industry to lower premiums for everyone regardless of so called subsidies as well as the healthcare providers lowering the cost of their services. The subsidies are being paid by tax payers. So you better get ready to see your taxes skyrocket.

  14. w.ryan says:

    Why bother to say anything in this thread??? Are we a nation of masochists that we reject anything or anyone that would ease or pain? That’s too bad!!! Keep up the ventriloquist game.

  15. Obama 2013 says:

    Below is the GOP’s plan to replace Obamacare Folks

    That is right. THEY GOT NOTHING!

    Millions of people have died, lost their savings and have dealt with pain and putting off medical attention because they coulding afford it and with this new law that will not happen anymore. Guess what the Insurcance companies are going to fight this because it cuts into their bottom line, at your expense. Stop supporting these companies. Obamacare is a rock that took down Goliath!

    A few facts.
    Policies have been increasing for years (even with Bush) so that complaint isn’t Obama.

    “Cancelled Polices”

    The insurance companies sold policies they knew would be cancelled by 2014 (hoping it would be found unconstitutional) to millions of policyholders.

    These companies have destroyed lives , left people to die and cancelled policies of women and children with cancer, aids and diabetes.

    Obama comes along and decides to take on the Goliath knowing full well he would have to own up to alot of issues and instead of trying to make the ACA better for you and I we have the GOP shutting down government and voting on repeals and spreading lies about the new law.

    Do you know Congress has voted more times to repeal Obamacare then it did to send troops to Iraq?

    Do you know each time Congress tries to write a law and do a vote on to repeal Obamacare it costs the tax payer close to a million dollars? Also do you know they are completely aware that it will fail in the Senate and if it passed the Senate they know Obama will veto it just veto it.

    I just find if really funny that the people working to repeal and end affordable healthcare for this country are wasting millions of our dollars when it could be used to actually make the law stronger.

    Are you upset about that? Of course your not. Because you’re a sheep to Fox News.

    I have two family members that have already signed up and they will save $3,600 a year with a better plan. One member hasn’t had a real policy since 1999.

    Think I am making it up? Here are 3 instances of real life examples

    The GOP and the Tea Party just need to go away already. You just keep losing have some pride and work for the people or get the hell out of our way.

    • Cruz 2016 says:

      SICK SICK SICK……Socialism is a serious MENTAL disorder !

      • A.S.F. says:

        @Cruz 2016 says–But voting for a political snake oil salesman like Ted Cruz is the essence of sanity!

      • Obama 2013 says:

        Do you even know what Socialism is? Or do you just get your buzzwords from Fox news and other posts?

        If you think Obama has done anything socialistic I suggest you learn your history.

        A system of society or group living in which there is no private property.
        A system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state .

        The United States isn’t even close to being Socialist, it just has social programs.

  16. Obama 2013 says:

    Also, Please don’t talk to me about having someone that is qualified.
    Rick Scott
    George W Bush
    Sarah Palin
    Mitt Romney
    Barry Goldwater
    Dan Quayle
    Dick Cheney
    Newt Gingrich
    Rick Perry
    Michele Bachmann

    The only people worth a crap over the past 30 years is McCain, Regan Bush SR and Jon Huntsman.

    Had Huntsman made it past Romney I think he would have done very well if he beat Obama.

    • A.S.F. says:

      I fear the Republican Party has been hijacked by its very vocal but more extreme element. A saner Republican candidate wouldn’t stand a chance with these people. It really is too bad.

    • A. Hick says:

      You can strike Bush, Sr. off that list as far as I’m concerned. The Obama folks were terrified of Huntsman, but they believed, correctly, that Republicans today were too reactionary and stupid to nominate him.

  17. Steve Wolfe says:

    We need to be cautious that we have no illusions about the success or failure of Obamacare. It has already succeeded at its TRUE agenda: redistribution. It is a giant tax scheme that shovels much more private income into government coffers under the guise of providing a fix for healthcare. This tax scheme will weaken the middle class even as it is claimed to help the same, meanwhile painting opposition as “radicals,” “terrorists,” or “anti-middle class.” A turd, or a Trojan Horse?

  18. confidential says:

    Forget about the web site and call the 1800 numbers here:
    Jason J. Monday
    Florida Blue
    Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida
    Toll Free: (855) 767-7302
    Fax: (813) 200-1740

    My child healthy, non smoker over 40 years old and independent contractor, enroll today starting coverage December 1, 2013, for $178/month including dental plan with regular annual doctors visits and test and meds at no charge and only a $2,200 deductible for hospitalization when needed.

  19. A.S.F. says:

    @Confidential says–To quote Jack Nicholson in “A Few Good Men”; “(THEY) CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!”

  20. Sherry Epley says:

    Regardless of what those bashing our “twice elected” President say. The much better health care provided by the LAW called the Affordable Care Act will provide better services for less money, once it is fully implemented. It is not just about the cost of insurance premiums, it is also about BETTER health care with less “out of pocket” for all of us when we actually submit a claim. It is about coverage for preventive check up and care.

    We will all benefit. . . but all the ” FOX Vombies” want to do is shoot themselves in the foot and bash our President at every turn, instead of educating themselves on the law.

    We are all REQUIRED to have car insurance because we are all in this “TOGETHER”. It is the same with the ACA. . . shouldn’t we ALL have health insurance instead of using our tax money to pay emergency room costs for those who (in the past) did not have coverage? THINK beyond the media manipulators folks. . . come on. . . I know you can do it!

  21. karma says:

    @Sherry, Should may car have a pre- existing condition(wrecked) when I purchased it, should the new insurance company pay for it and be forced to raise everyone rates? Why should I have to pay for a life long alcoholic that needs a new liver because his bad decisions. Or a gang banger that made the choice to live dangerously.
    I understand your claim of fairness and compassion, but people also need to held responsible for their actions.

    • A. Hick says:

      I have to think that the website was purposefully designed to malfunction for awhile in order to draw the Republicans, and their blog posters, into the kind of ignorant reactionary frenzy they are now exhibiting. This trick, if it is indeed deliberate, is getting the result, drawing out the best stereotypical Social Darwinist, Ayn Rand rhetoric. Let people with pre-existing conditions die if they can’t pay for their own care, they were too lazy to buy insurance before they got sick (never thinking, or caring, they might have gotten sick as children, or lost their insurance when their job was sent to China, etc), and we can’t burden insurance companies with covering them now, etc., or make healthy people pay for their care. Keep that up, and shout it louder, and ever louder, everywhere. The whole world is watching you, and taking good notes.

      What these morons don’t realize is that healthy people already subsidize the very poor reactive, often useless, care such people get in emergency rooms, essentially wasted, until they do die, to the tune of hundreds of billions every year, and rising by billions every year. There is your real “death panel.”

      When the Nazis instituted their Euthanasia Program, the propaganda rationale for it could be played on Fox News right today: Why would you healthy German people want to pay for this person’s care? Here is how much it costs to house such a person in public institutions at your expense.

  22. confidential says:

    Karma; we are all enforced to have car insurance an we also cover the irresponsible that drive like maniacs and they pay higher rated for their irresponsibility but also we all share the cost of the damages they cause as their individual policies can alone sustain it. Also when we have catastrophic losses for like weather originated losses or other earth events like earthquakes we all share in that insurance pool those losses…then why not in health care issues? Why not to support this Government Health Care Program to cover us, all like with in the cars insurance we do?

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