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Bill Vastly Diminishing Separation of Church and School Passes Florida Senate, 23-13

| March 24, 2017

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A bill aimed at protecting displays of religious faith in public schools passed the Senate on nearly party-line vote Thursday, while a more-limited version moved toward the House floor.


The Senate voted 23-13 to approve its bill (SB 436, see below), after a sometimes-emotional debate. Sen. Daphne Campbell, D-Miami, joined Republicans in voting for the legislation.

Supporters of the legislation said it would largely reaffirm court rulings on First Amendment rights while signaling to school districts what should and shouldn’t be allowed. They also rejected suggestions that the bill was intended to favor some religious convictions at the expense of others.

“This isn’t protecting a faith,” said Sen. Dennis Baxley, an Ocala Republican who sponsored the bill. “It’s protecting all people’s freedom to express their hearts.”

The proposal would extend protection to religious activities and organizations and seek to prevent discrimination against students or school employees based on their faith. It would also require school districts to approve a “limited public forum” policy for student speakers.

But in so doing, the bill vastly expands permissible religious expression in public schools during school hours. Provisions of the bill protecting religious expression in dress, coursework, art work and persona expression re-state protections already in state and federal law, and in both federal and state constitutions. But the bill goes much further into untested territory in Florida. For example, the proposal would allow students to engage in organized prayer groups during the school day and with the participation–though not the sponsorship–of school personnel. Such religious activities may be freely advertised and announced across the school, and school districts are to develop policies enabling student speakers to essentially proselytize during school activities, including sports events and graduations, where students and people of different faiths, or no faith, usually gather and are a captive audience.

The U.S. Supreme Court has maintained that any religious expression in the context of widely–even if voluntary–school-sponsored events would be coercive to those not necessarily inclined to follow the preached beliefs, and would therefore be illegal.

“The school district’s supervision and control of a high school graduation ceremony places subtle and indirect public and peer pressure on attending students to stand as a group or maintain respectful silence during the invocation and benediction,” Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in a 1993 decision. “A reasonable dissenter of high school age could believe that standing or remaining silent signified her own participation in, or approval of, the group exercise, rather than her respect for it. And the State may not place the student dissenter in the dilemma of participating or protesting. Since adolescents are often susceptible to peer pressure, especially in matters of social convention, the State may no more use social pressure to enforce orthodoxy than it may use direct means. The embarrassment and intrusion of the religious exercise cannot be refuted by arguing that the prayers are of a de minimis character, since that is an affront to the rabbi and those for whom the prayers have meaning, and since any intrusion was both real and a violation of the objectors’ right.”

Supporters of the Florida legislation claim students have, for example, been told they can’t use a religious figure in a paper about role models or can’t bring Bibles to school.

“It’s time to stop persecuting students for their religious beliefs when grading assignments, or limiting the reading texts just because they may contain religious material,” said Shawn Frost, president of the conservative Florida Coalition of School Board Members, at a House Education Committee meeting where that chamber’s bill was approved Thursday.

Opponents, though, portrayed the bills as an unnecessary measure that could lead to some children being ostracized if they don’t join student-led religious displays.

“I believe that there is already time for prayer and expression, and I don’t believe that isolated incidents should then be an impetus for a law that really will create, I believe, more misunderstanding than understanding,” said Sen. Audrey Gibson, D-Jacksonville.

Added Sen. Gary Farmer, D-Fort Lauderdale: “The right to religious belief is not being taken away if we don’t pass this bill.”

But while the Senate debate over the legislation has been polarizing, the version of the bill in the normally more partisan House has moved through quickly and largely unopposed.

The House Education Committee vote Thursday was unanimous — though three Democrats weren’t there to vote — following similar approval at a subcommittee. The House measure (HB 303) is also sponsored by a pair of Democrats: Kimberly Daniels of Jacksonville and Patricia Williams of Lauderdale Lakes.

That version, though, does not include the requirement for school districts to approve a “limited public forum” policy for student speakers. Such policies would give student speakers more leeway in their comments at school events.

Baxley, who said he used the original House language for his bill, suggested after the Senate vote Thursday that the difference could make reaching an agreement problematic if the House insisted.

“In the process, they kind of watered theirs down a little bit, and we really like the constraints that were in the bill to make it function,” Baxley said. “Because otherwise, I don’t know there’s anything being done.”

–FlaglerLive and the News Service of Florida

Florida Religious Expression Bill (SB 436, 2017)

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14 Responses for “Bill Vastly Diminishing Separation of Church and School Passes Florida Senate, 23-13”

  1. Ken Dodge says:

    The proverbial camel’s nose under the tent. Parents should know that this paves the way for the promotion of Islam—along with the marginalization, even denigration, of Christianity — and it is happening in public schools across the country.

  2. Dave says:

    This is sickening, this is not american

  3. cls says:

    Ok – as long as other religions like Hindu, Buddhism, Islam, Catholism, Protestism, Sikhism, and ALL religions are allowed in schools and on school properties. See what a pandora’s box you just opened up? Sheesh, republicans…

  4. Mark says:

    “no law respecting the free exercise thereof” geeeeeez, what could we be thinking?

  5. beachcomberT says:

    There’s got to be a reasonable middle ground somewhere. If some students want to have prayer circles before or after their classes, I don’t see any great harm. And it seems like social studies classes for upper grades should give kids some idea about the core beliefs of the major world religions. But inevitably one religious group or another is going to object if a minority religion gets discussed. So there will be arguments if someone asks for “equal time” for Islam, Judaism, Eastern Orthodox, Jehovah Witnesses, LDS, Hinduism, paganism, agnosticism and atheism. Ideally, each district should have an interfaith committee of clergy and lay people develop some guidelines on how religion can be practiced and/or discussed in a school setting.

  6. Common Sense says:

    Schools are not the place for religion. We keep turning out students that can barely read and write. Why bring this into the mix? They can practice their religion at home or in their designated place of worship.
    What is happening to the separation of church and state?

  7. Openyourmind says:

    @ Ken Dodge, whats the issue with Islam? I’m against any religion of any kind being promoted in schools, including my own, which is Islam. Why must you single out and denigrate Islam? Because it doesn’t teach the same exact beliefs that your faith teaches? America wasnt founded on the basis of picking and choosing what religions are allowed and which aren’t. Please do us all a favor and step off of your high horse and open up your heart and mind. Your faith and opinions are not the only ones that matter. God bless.

  8. Sherry says:

    Separation of Church and State!!!!!!

  9. The Ghost of America says:

    Openyourmind, it’s because most muslims are brown people.

  10. joseph pultizer says:

    A salaam alaikum brothers and sisters meet me under the flag pole>

  11. Geezer says:

    I’m a proud Festividian. I want an aluminum pole erected at all schools.
    Feats of strength, airing of grievances…

  12. Sheila Zinkerman says:

    Since 1947 Americans United for the Separation of Church and State (AU) has brought legal action against parties who violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment. http://www.au.org. SB 436 is being closely monitored by AU Chapters throughout Florida. Alleged violations within Flagler County and other Florida public schools can be reported for investigation through the AU website. They have staff attorneys who will investigate the alleged violation and bring legal action as appropriate.

  13. Ken Dodge says:

    Thank you, Openyourmind. My issue with Islam is that it is a political ideology shrouded in a religion.

  14. Dave says:

    People kill for their religious belief, it’s in the history books, the Crusades and so on, let’s keep our kids out of those situations when it’s time for schooling.

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