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Flip-Flops OK, Tuck-In Not Required: District’s Uniform Policy Will Be Relatively Permissive

| January 25, 2012

The school board shows its pragmatic side.

Last Updated: 2:37 p.m.

Relax, Flagler County public school students. You’re not getting a uniform policy next fall. You’re getting a slightly more controlled dress code. The biggest difference for most will be t-shirts: most are out, though on designated “Spirit Days” school t-shirts are OK. Collared shirts are in. And you’ll be limited in choice of colors to about four. (See the full proposed policy here.)

And in a series of victories for students, and for many principals, there will be no requirement that students tuck in their shirts, a perennial headache with dress codes. The proposed policy reads: “It’s recommended shirts be tucked in. Cleavage must be covered.” Another victory: flip-flops are allowed for high school students, though not footwear with wheels. In essence, only footwear found unsafe in certain activities would be disallowed.

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The Flagler County School Board met this morning in a workshop in Bunnell to work out the details of its new policy, which it calls a “uniform dress code.” (The meeting began at 10 a.m. and was disbanding just before noon). The board isn’t voting on the policy today. But it is expected to settle on the wording, and adopt the proposed policy for advertising at its meeting next week, with final adoption later this winter. Each school in Flagler will announce its two colors by next Tuesday’s board meeting.

The board did not take on enforcement matters today. “Implementation is typically a staff issue,” School Superintendent Valentine said. The student code of conduct will be refined to reflect that, though the board will have final approval.

Here are the basic outlines of the proposed policy, in so far as it affects students: Pants must be khaki, navy blue, or black slacks, or blue or black jeans. Bottoms may include walking shorts, skirts, skorts or jumpers bearing a small trademark logo. Pants must be plain-colored and have no holes, tatters or unfinished hems, and if pants have belt loops, a brown or black belt must be worn, but beyond the colors, the belt may be accessorized. Students in K-3 are exempt from wearing a belt.

Shirts must be collared–polo or Oxford shirts, with standard sleeves. In other words, no tank tops. Small trademark logos are also acceptable. Students may use district colors (actually, white) plus all shades of gray and two additional colors that would be chosen by each school. The white shirts may be an issue: School Board member Colleen Conklin suggested that white shirts would be problematic for girls, whose bras would show, for example.

The framework of the policy was drafted by Valentine and refined in a meeting last week between Valentine and all her principals.

Then came the discussion on the greatest headache for teachers and administrators regarding dress codes: the tucking-in requirement. Most students don’t want to tuck in. Many are self-conscious of doing so, if they’re fat, because it accentuates their weight. And schools with that requirements are notoriously incapable of enforcing it.

“I’m going to go with I don’t think it’s enforceable,” Board Member Trevor Tucker said. In his visit to Osceola county, where a version of a uniform policy is in effect, Tucker recalled seeing hardly any shirts tucked in, and no enforcement.

“I don’t think tucking in is a battle I want to fight with this,” Board Member Andy Dance said.

Conklin proposed making the tucking in a suggestion or a recommendation. That approach won the argument, even though Sue Dickinson, the chairman of the school board, found the approach too permissive.

Outerwear such as zip-up sweatshirts or sweaters are acceptable. The original wording of the proposed policy imposed the same color limitations as with shirts, but no hoodies. Again, Tucker and Dance raised objections: Tucker worries that limiting colors on sweatshirts would result in financial hardships for some, if families would have to buy new sweaters or sweatshirts. Dance saw no issues with hoodies.


Both won those concessions: hoodies will be allowed as long as proper clothing is worn underneath, and gray will be an additional color for outerwear such as sweatshirts and sweaters. When it comes to footwear, students from kindergarten to 6th grade must wear enclosed shoes. Middle schoolers may add sandals with a back strap. High school students may add flip-flops.

Dance and Tucker voted against the imposition of a uniform policy when the board finally decided the matter earlier this month. But both board members stressed that, now that the decision was taken, they’d fully support it. Dickinson noted the collegiality. It wasn’t just words: by throwing their support behind the policy they had opposed, the two board members positioned themselves in such a way that their voice would be amplified when it came time to actually write the policy. That’s what’s happening today: Tucker and Dance are influencing the refinement of the policy more than Fischer and Dickinson, knowing that Conklin, the swing voter earlier this month, is on their side regarding the more pragmatic implementations of the policy. Dickinson is making her points, but she’s not setting her foot down, essentially displaying the same deference to her colleagues that they showed her in early January.

How well government boards work together can be difficult to define, since collegiality is often an abstraction, and boards love to pat themselves on the back on how well they work together. For the Flagler County School Board, however, the uniform issue has illustrated the panel’s true pragmatism and collegiality in action: what is an inherently divisive issue has been managed with remarkable civility and, as today’s meeting shows, effectiveness, every board member managing to have his or her fingerprints on the policy—with the ironic exception of Fischer: he has been the quietest of the board members when it’s come to the details of the policy.

On the other hand, Ficher could have merely been sitting back, his main goal accomplished: the uniform policy is his idea. He initiated the discussion, he pushed the board toward a vote, and he got his policy. Now he’s leaving the details to his colleagues.

One potential surprise: the board is divided over whether to continue enforcing the requirement that students wear their ID at all times. “There is nothing in data that is showing that it helps with school safety,” Valentine said. One school already had changed the requirement, asking students only to carry the ID, not to display it. Only one school felt strongly that students should continue wearing the ID. The matter has become similar to tucked shirts: it’s an enforcement headache. And principals recommended to Valentine not to include the requirement anymore.

The board didn’t settle the issue. It will do so at its meeting next week, when Katrina Townsend, the district’s student services director, will argue before the board that the ID should be worn at all times, and Winnie Oden, the principal at Buddy Taylor Middle School, will argue against the requirement. The board will then made a determination.

“If we end up with issues we can come back and revisit,” Dance said about the proposed policy in general.

Before the meeting, board members huddled over a laptop for a look at this video, sent around the district by Flagler Palm Coast High School Principal Jacob Oliva last week:

Here is the latest wording of the proposed policy, as refined by the school board in a workshop on Jan. 25. Strike-outs and red additions reflect today’s amendments to the policy as originally drafted by Valentine and her top administrative staff. A printable pdf of the proposal is available here.

Proposed UNIFORM DRESS CODE 2012-13

All staff members will enforce the dress code. The administration/designee will be the final judge about whether a student’s clothing meets requirements of policy. We rely on the good taste and judgment of the students and the responsibility of the parents to advise their children of the appropriate dress in accordance with the Flagler Public School Dress Code Policy.

Specific Requirements:

Pants/Bottom Attire

  1. Must be khaki, navy blue or black slacks, or dark blue or black denim.  May include pants, walking shorts, skirts, skorts, or jumpers. A small trademark logo is acceptable.
  2. Pants must be plain without may not have any holes, tears, tatters, or unfinished hems, and must be worn securely at the waist.
  3. If pants have belt loops, a black or brown belt must be used.  Students in grades K-3 are exempt.

Shirts

  1. Shirts must be short or long sleeve polo style, oxford style, or button-up dress shirt with a collar.  A small trademark logo is acceptable.
  2. All schools may use the district colors of white or grey and choose up to two additional standard school colors.  Shirts must be solid color.
  3. On designated school Spirit Days or special events, students may wear their school logo t-shirt, team jersey, or club shirt.
  4. It is recommended shirts be tucked in.  Cleavage must be covered.

Outer or cool weather attire

  1. Zip- or button-up or “over the head” sweatshirts or sweaters are acceptable as long as required dress attire is worn beneath.
  2. Items must be solid color in white, grey or the approved school colors.  A small trademark logo is acceptable.
  3. School logo items are acceptable.
  4. Standard, required dress code must be worn, even when wearing cool weather attire.

The following general rules apply to dress code:

  1. Shorts, skirts, skorts, or jumpers are acceptable if they are within 4” above the knee.
  2. Hats, headgear, or any head covering (bandanas, sweatbands, and du-rags) will not be allowed.
  3. 3. No undergarments are to be seen at any time.
  4. Wearing apparel which tends to identify association with secret societies or gangs as prohibited in Florida Statutes is not allowed.
  5. No sunglasses can be worn inside buildings.
  6. All chains that hang outside clothing are not allowed.
  7. Any jewelry or accessory that presents a safety or health hazard or causes a major disruption to the educational process is not allowed.
  8. Footwear that is a safety hazard will not be allowed. (i. e. footwear with wheels, including but not limited to Heely’s.) K-6 must wear enclosed shoes or athletic shoes; 7-8 may wear enclosed shoes, athletic shoes, or sandals with a back strap; high school may wear all of the above and flip flops/sandals.  Footwear determined by staff to be unsafe for school/physical education classes will be prohibited by school administration for those activities or classes.
  9. All clothing must be properly sized for you, it may not be oversized or undersized, and worn secured at the waist level.

10.  Tattoos deemed inappropriate by staff must be covered.

11.  Contact lenses that alter the appearance of the eye (other than to another naturally occurring color) are not allowed.

12.  No trench coats

13.  School ID’s must be worn and clearly displayed by high school and middle school students.

According to FS 1001.43, the School Board has the right to adopt programs and policies to ensure the safety and welfare of individuals, including requiring uniforms. It is important for students and parents/guardians to work with the school in adhering to district dress code.

The Flagler County School Board and top executive staff meeting this morning to refine a proposed uniform policy. From left, board attorney Kristy Gavin, board members John Fischer, Andy Dance, Sue Dickinson, Superintendent Janet Valentine, and board members Colleen Conklin and Trevor Tucker. Katrina Townsend, the district's student services director, is to Tucker's left. Click on the image for larger view. (FlaglerLive)

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51 Responses for “Flip-Flops OK, Tuck-In Not Required: District’s Uniform Policy Will Be Relatively Permissive”

  1. Unbelievable says:

    Just goes to show you how out of touch they are with the schools. Every team on campus has a hoodie as part of their uniform.

  2. Stephanie Wheeler says:

    A zip up sweatshirt with no hood? Ridiculous. And now the headache of finding those jeans. So out of touch with what is actually available out there.

    • Layla says:

      Hopefully, they can order it throught the local stores. Ordering in bulk should make it cheaper. And in that regard, somebody might want to get a price quote from the locals stores and send business to the one who can get them at the most reasonable cost. Just an idea.

  3. Unbelievable says:

    Nice, professional blouses for females do not typically have collars. Watching the bus stop this morning, none of the girls were wearing t-shirts. All were wearing blouses that were very cute and in no way inappropriate. But, since they had no collar….

  4. JUST WONDERING says:

    IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK….IT MUST BE A DUCK. NICE TRY SUE, YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST FROM THE WORD GO. YOU AND MR FISCHER MAKE A GOOD TEAM. WATCH OUT FLAGLER COUNTY, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING NEW ON THE HORIZON.

  5. Lori Cooke-Young via Facebook says:

    Ouch, really?! “Then came the discussion on the greatest headache for teachers and administrators regarding dress codes: the tucking-in requirement. Most students don’t want to tuck in. Many are self-conscious of doing so, if they’re FAT, because it accentuates their weight. And schools with that requirements are notoriously incapable of enforcing it.” I think this statement needs to be re-worded. Otherwise, thank you for the update.

  6. Rain says:

    What a giant waste of time! I guess we have nothing else to concern ourselves with. My neighbor has a special needs child and has enough trouble finding clothes for him to wear and be able to negotiate buttons, snaps, zippers, etc. let’s worry about educating these kids and less about the clothes! Is there going to be a clothes monitor as they enter the school and will they be sent home if the shirt isn’t exactly right. Now Mom or Dad has to leave the job they are lucky to have here in Flagler County and get them another shirt! I would love to see the look on their boss’ face when they said they needed to leave work for that reason.

  7. Lori says:

    So now that we have the nonsense of a “uniform” policy, let’s move on to the next very unimportant thing… IDs! When is our school board going to get it through their heads that these matters should be at the bottom of the list. How about buses for middle school kids that are one mile out so these kids are walking in fog like I drove my daughter and her best friend to school in this morning? How about a decently timed school day? How many of these school board officials went to school and got out before 2pm? I went at 7:50 and didn’t get out until 3:30. I just read this morning that Flagler county schools scored 29th in the state BEHIND the two counties my kids originally started school in! Seriously, get your heads out of the clouds and back in to the important matters like teacher pay, buses, ENOUGH PAPER for teachers and hiring teachers that care about the kids.

  8. Rymfire mom says:

    Hmmm. Let’s see brown or black belts only? Solid color collared shirts? Solid colored pants only?

    I’m so thrilled that the school board members favor their new role as “fashion consultants” rather than tackling more urgent and/or pressing issues that may actually help our kids (remember, 50 percent of them are on free or reduced lunch) and support our teachers.

    Kudos to John Fischer for this colossal waste of time and trivial, unnecessary policy change that will likely result in more headaches for students, teachers, parents and administrators. Both Fischer & Dickinson are so out of touch with reality it’s almost comical.

    Moving to St Johns County gets more appealing everyday.

  9. Don says:

    I said it before and I’ll say it again PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST!!!!!!

  10. Alyssa Dane via Facebook says:

    It seems livable, other than the “oversized” clause. What is the definition? My husband is a business professional and wears oversized jackets and pants. His underclothing does not stick out and he isn’t a thug, lol. What year is this anyhow???

  11. Helene says:

    Unbelievable: You hit the nail on the head! I don’t have to worry about this ridiculous issue as my last child graduates this year. But I feel bad for the families that have to deal with this nonsense. The “hoodie” part wasn’t clear (as per the article) – seemed to say one thing and then another. A hooded sweatshirt should absolutely be allowed! I bought 3 HOODED Matanzas High School Band of Pirate sweatshirts over the course of my son’s high school years that not only he wears when it is cold, but I wear! If the no hoodie rule winds up applying, are all the athletic teams and band students supposed to buy new sweatshirts? Is the school district going to pay for these?

    And by the way rulemakers, what exactly is the point of the belt being mandatory if pants have loops? So if they can wear their shirts out, how can you tell if they are wearing a belt? Are the teachers supposed to lift their shirt up! This whole issue is a total non-issue. Like the previous poster said – how about dealing with the fact that our district is # 29 !! What an embarressment.

  12. Yellowstone says:

    Just another pile of baloney that will go ‘to the dumper’. Just as soon as some attorney’s son gets bounced – the “see ya in court” paper work will begin.

    Taxpayers: You will pay the bill on this one too.

    Teachers: Keep your focus on the outstanding work you are doing. Get those kids oriented to the real world.

    To the Others: You should be proud that your frugal and meager tax dollars are being spent so wisely(?). Perhaps when you can afford to move – you can mention to respective buyers, “My school has no discipline problems, since we passed a Dress Code.”

    (Good luck on that one!)

  13. Mike says:

    My God, all you people can do is whine and complain. And this attitude will be reflected on how the kids behave in the classroom.

    [Mike, your comment was edited: you’ll kindly refrain from telling commenters to shut up if you’re not willing yourself to exercise the same courtesy to us. Thanks.–FlaglerLive.]

  14. Anonymous says:

    @ Stephanie Wheeler says:
    A zip up sweatshirt with no hood? Ridiculous. And now the headache of finding those jeans. So out of touch with what is actually available out there.

    As far as the sweatshirts The dress code says they can have pull over or hooded ones.
    Outer or cool weather attire

    1.Zip- or button-up or “over the head” sweatshirts or sweaters are acceptable as long as required dress attire is worn beneath.

    what “headache” would there be in finding pants with all the options given

    • Stephanie Wheeler says:

      Well…”anonymous”,
      Maybe you haven’t tried to find jeans for teenage girls lately. I have. It is very hard to find them with no tatters, etc…Not that I like it that way, it’s just the way that MOST jeans are made for teenage girls these days. Not to mention my daughter is tall, which does complicate it more. I’m not whining or complaining…I am stating facts from my experience.
      As far as the hoodies, the original article clearly states no hoodies. Did you read that before you commented? Did they change their mind? If they did I did not see.

  15. the guy says:

    what happened to letting kids express themselves? they take away enough constitutional rights at school as it is. now they want to limit what we wear. how is forcing us to wear cloths we dont want to wear even legal. the most unimportant things come first. how about you guys work this hard on the budget because us students dont get the oppurtunities we should have because the school board cares more about uniform policy.

  16. Student says:

    So, Im going to Fpc next year. I don’t think the school board realizes that making us wear collared shirts and khakis will make us very uncomfortable. How are we supposed to focus when we feel awkward and restricted. My dad always said school isn’t a fashion show, but they’re unnecessarily making us over dress.I don’t know about other kids but I’m going to be freaking out about how hideous I look. I want to be able to express myself through my style. They have no right to repress our creativity like that. If they want to make dress code stricter go ahead. But uniforms are an awful Idea. And how are parents supposed to buy uniforms and regular clothes for weekends? My family doesn’t have the money for that, And for those kids that barely have enough to keep a house? They’ll get suspended or expelled when they don’t show up in a uniform. And thats degrading and embarrassing.

  17. Binkey says:

    Uniforms are a distraction to education. Just look how long the school board has been distracted by this.

    Can sweaters be worn backwards and inside out?

  18. max says:

    So they will proudly change the dress code but not get their teachers to shut up in class and actually teach something.

  19. Local Parent says:

    I am surprised at all the negativity that this has attracted. I understand all of your complaints but…… I understand why the school board would feel this is necessary. Ever wander if our district is 29 because our teachers are to busy worrying what childs cleavage or butt is showing? In a day and age where elementary school kids are bringing weapons to school, you must also consider the safety issue, yes they should tuck in there shirts. How about us parents start participating in our childrens education and stop leaving it entirely in the hands of a stranger. I would almost bet that most of the people complaining are ones who have no clue what their children wears to school on a daily basis. I personally feel this dress code could be a little stricter. School is just that, school! Not a fashion show or sexy party, or thug convention.

  20. areyoukidding? says:

    This whole outwear issue really has me at a loss… only sweatshirts and hoodies (I think, it’s not clear) are allowed? So my child cannot wear a winter jacket? What about the winter jacket I purchased for him (cost me a ridiculous $85 since I had to order online as Florida doens’t seem to sell them in any stores) that I got a size bigger so he could use it next year? It’s blue along with green and white. Why does it have to be only grey? Is it even allowed? It doesn’t mention anything about jackets or did I miss something? Sure its been a pretty warm winter lately but there are days when a small 6 year old needs more than just a sweater when its 40 degrees at the bus stop, don’t you think?

  21. Nicki says:

    Why is everybody so upset? I dont see the big deal. To be quite honest, Im tired on seeing kids wearing short shorts and having bra straps hanging out while walking to school. So they have to wear pants or skirt and a collared shirt. Big deal! I told my daughter and son and they didnt seem to mind at all and my daughter is miss fashion queen!

    There is one thing everybody agrees on and that is there are sooo many more important things the district needs to worry about so lets all agree to disagree and move on to more important things.

  22. Kelsey says:

    So, let’s limit self expression because it is distracting, and limit education because we MUST prepare for FCAT. We are turning the nation’s youth into mindless automatons.

  23. JL says:

    I know this all sounds rediculouse, but have you people looked at what some kids are wearing to school? My mother is a teacher in Florida, and she said it’s getting to where they have to “cover up” elementary school kids because they are wearing such skimpy clothes. That’s sad. The school districts are pushed to this reality because parents aren’t making their kids dress appropriately. I would have never been allowed to show my stomach or my rear end in school. I don’t want to see it. The teachers shouldn’t have to be worried about what kids are wearing. Some wear t-shirts with vulgur sayings. It’s sad it’s come to this. Not all students dress inappropriately. Unfortunately, it’s the few idiots that ruin it for everyone. There is nothing wrong with expecting kids to show up at school looking decent in their clothes. Since they couldn’t use their own common sense, the school board had to do it for them. It’s too bad everyone has to pay for the few stupid ones.

    • Stephanie Wheeler says:

      I agree that parents have to take some responsibility in the way their child dresses. Especially elementary. But whichever “dress code” we have will still have to be enforced. Why not just enforce what we have?

      • Flagler Mom says:

        If parents would actually make their children wear clothes that were appropriate, whether in elementary school or High school, the uniform dress code policy would not be an issue. SOME parents choose to let their kids wear whatever they want to, and because of that, the whole district will now have to wear uniforms. The school board officials have made it perfectly clear over the years that uniforms were inevitable, if they had to be. So no one can say that they didn’t know it was coming. They did what they thought was necessary, because some parents failed to do their job in making sure that their kids were dressed appropriately. I commend them for that.
        Another point I want to make is that, these kids wear the clothes that they can “express” themselves in now, however some people take it to an extreme and by doing that they deliberately defy the dress code. This is done on a daily basis and is very hard for the schools to enforce because they don’t have the backing and support of parents. All some parents want to do is whine and complain about the rules that their children are expected to follow. Well HELLO!! I wonder where the kids get it from. They defy authority because their parents allow them to and actually even join in with the defiance (as we can see by all the negative comments on here). Then there are those who think that there should be no consequences for their actions, and take no responsibility for their actions, again a reflection of the parents. So people wake up, stop complaining!! You are not doing your kids any favors by acting this way!!!!

  24. OKES parent says:

    If the school staff can’t enforce the current dress code already in place, how in the world will they enforce a “new” dress code????

  25. OKES parent says:

    As stated by Sue Dickinson: “If on opening day of school 2011 we had enforced our dress code the way it was written, we wouldn’t be sitting here today.”

    Case in point, you can’t enforce what you have but a “new” dress code will solve the situation how??

    Someone enlighten me please….

  26. Jennifer says:

    The picture at the top of this article shows how most girls/juniors/womens jeans are sold these days! With that being said, they should just ban jeans all together if they are going to be so picky about what they look like, jeans are jeans!! I can understand not allowing jeans with graphics on them or holes in them, but the tattered look is what is in style and what the stores carry more of! It is hard to find plain jeans without fading or anything of that sort! If they are going to require any sort of “uniform” policy, then make it just that, UNIFORMS!

  27. tulip says:

    I’ve seen plenty of jeans in Kohls, Bealls, Walmart, etc. that are NOT tattered, faded and junky looking.

    • Stephanie Wheeler says:

      I’ve checked all those stores and it is VERY hard to find them. And IF I happen to, they never have the right size. It’s very difficult.

  28. Justin says:

    Anyone know any good lawyers? Lol

  29. MHS studnet says:

    I have a closet full of button downs and polo’s probably around $300 worth of them but only 2 of the many I have are a SOLID color. So does this mean that I have to go shopping MY SEINOR YEAR and spend MY MONEY on clothes I don’t like and will not wear outside of class? And the whole contact rule… I have a year supply of blue prescription contacts I just purchased and I am not going to purchase normal contacts when I have perfectly good ones already at home. Plus what will happen on Fridays when the cheerleaders and football players wear their uniform to school? It has been a tradition since the opening of the school. And I would love for one of the board members to show me WHERE the gang violence is occurring. I have never seen this happen and where is the rule that forbids blue or pink hair I mean I find that allot more distracting than the color of someone’s eyes!

  30. w.ryan says:

    Such a waste of time!!! This is nothing but the moonwalk! We need a conveyer belt to put them on so at least they are moving forward. What’s the next nonsensical mission?

  31. Yellowstone says:

    Mike, and In respect to all your readers who do take the time and effort to reply:

    This great country was built on ideologies like, “freedom of expression”, “pursuit of happiness”, and “freedom of the press”.

    Since I suppose, you are a Journalist, you know you play an extremely important role in society; that is, to help all of us fight for and retain those freedoms.

    What will soon happen if the Daytona paper and its readers take exception to your writing – and ostracise you and your good work? Wouldn’t feel too good would it? Same could be said from your loyal readers.

    I understand your situation in regard to those who do not act civil – or refuse to share ideas. But name calling; ie, “a bunch of whiners”?

    Come on Mike, your readers may now think they should inhibit their individuality – and their freedoms.

    God bless this great country and especially thank those who preserve them.

    Regards.

  32. Not At Ease says:

    There are a lot more things to worry about in these schools besides a collar on a shirt. First of all, technically speaking, collared shirts are generally meant for men or boys. I personally know plenty of males who will barely be affected by this at all. However, girls will have a much more difficult time with this. Being a high school student myself, I seldom see girls with their boobs, butts, or bras hanging out. When there is, I always see them being sent to the Dean’s office to get a change of clothes. Many students do not own many of the required attire pieces, which causes difficulty financially for some to get a hold of these clothing items. The one technical thing that I find most offensive is that we are restricted in colors. Really?
    Just because someone is wearing a certain colored shirt does not mean gang affiliation. Honestly, do we really have a gang problem in this town? Even if we did, throwing a stricter dress code is not going to do anything to help the situation. The school board will be dealing with that, and also riots, and severe haste from all of the students. Outbursts and angry Facebook posts are happening with AP students and students who normally do not get into trouble. There will be more quarrel.

    On the moral side, a student is what they put themselves out there to be. Many express their individuality through the clothing they choose, and the colors they like to wear. I rarely see girls prancing around in clothes too tight, or sloppy-looking girls in huge T-shirts and pajama pants. Occasionally, yes. Instead of “punishing” the majority who dress appropriately, why not just enforce the code already set in place? I am well aware that many teachers and administrators just “look the other way.”

    As someone else mentioned, professional business attire for women generally does not include a collar. We can look nice in a blouse, sweater, or top that is collarless.

    “You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can’t take the hood out of the boy.”
    As crude and terrible that may sound, this axiom applies here greatly. If you change a criminals clothes, he is still a criminal. If you change a gang members clothes, he is still a gang member. If you put a collar on a bad person, they won’t be any different. Perhaps we should be spending our time preventing violence, bullying, and spending more funds on enriching education and updating campuses and libraries.

    Then, perhaps, we will have a better school district.

    • Patti says:

      I am sorry to hear that so many people feel that this is a “non” issue. It is a very real issue. Our children are only being taught that they must be punished for the actions of others.Most of these kids do adhere to the current dress code. The kids that do not comply have faced no punishment for their actions, so why would they feel they need to comply.We are taught that there are consequences for are actions in life. This basic lesson has been left out of our schools, when it comes to “dress Codes” Basic rights are now being taken away from our children. Today its uniforms and I cant help but ask my self ,What will it be tomorrow? Where does it stop?

  33. Former Student says:

    I’d just like to see what they will do if the students rebel next year.

    Who on the board is up for election for this year??

  34. Momma miller says:

    OH MY FLIPPING COW! I am really tired of people whining about the uniforms!!! WHy don’t people go complain to the school board about, I don’t know… MAKING THE MHS SCHOOL EXIT A 2O MPH SCHOOL ZONE or HAVE SOMEONE DIRECT SCHOOL TRAFIC IN THE MORING AND AFTERNOON?!?!? Then maybe you can save a student from getting into severe accident! 35mph vs 20mph or having someone direct traffic make a big difference and if you don’t believe me I can show you the x-rays! If you are getting all up set about having wearing a uniform, you would never survive what I have had to these past 4 months! You are all bunch of wimpy cry babies!!!! Shut the hell up about the uniforms, be grateful you can walk, your healthily and living!

  35. smitty says:

    Are they gonna have a uniform allowance like they do for free lunches?

  36. Elena says:

    I think this is a complete waist of time! I don’t believe that this will help in any way. I know first hand! I went to a school that had to were pants, tucked in collar shirts, and a belt. It was horrible! My mom had such a hard time as a single parent trying to find the right attire and a good price, and we had to be checked by our teacher as we were going into each class room. you tell me that doesn’t take time away from learning!!! I am a mom of 2 girls now and I was so glad I would have to deal with that but now i do! It is hard enough trying to find certain items for girls now trying to find the correct colors/ items for this dress code is time consuming and expensive! Most families wont be able to afford this.I think they need to be concentrating more on education and enforcing stricter dress code restrictions rather then worrying about colors and types of style. This will just take time away from the learning in the classroom because teachers are going to have to focus on checking if the students are dressed properly. Or I understand there are students who are over top with their clothes (i.e. pants hanging past their butts, shirts too low, clothes too big or small), well why not fix that problem!? Why go for certain colors and cuts? Maybe meet in the middle somewhere….. Lets just hope this doesn’t last and they can meet in the middle somewhere with this craziness.

  37. Wow says:

    There isn’t even a point in having uniforms. It has nothing to do with grades or behavior. Yes some students come to school out of dress code, but that does NOT mean that they are going to be a slacker and fail all of there classes. I think It is a discrimination to most parents who cannot afford to buy a bunch of Polo shirts and clothing of the other requirements.

    • Anonymous says:

      All parents opposed to the dress code should ban together and start a class-action law suit. There is no opt-out that parents can sign (I confirmed this with student services office), and under FLDOE website and US Dept of Education, they are setting themselves up for legal action by not having an opt-out. Or, refuse to buy uniforms under the “FREE public education” clause. Make the school board foot the bill for ALL uniforms for the entire district. Create a Facebook account to get all of you together!! Fight together!! Voices of many…

      • Flagler Parent says:

        “Flagler Residents Against Uniforms In Public Schools” Facebook page was just created. Please start a discussion there and hopefully we can all stand together to make a change!

  38. Give it a rest says:

    Can you people read? Re-read the policy. You are all getting your panties in a wade over things that are not even in the policy. They ARE providing an opt out. It is for religious and medical reasons only. Completely within the law. Move on and get over it – it’s going to happen. Can’t wait!

    • Flagler Parent says:

      There is NO opt out. I have called all the appropriate people and was told specifically that there will be NO OPT OUT for religious, medical, or ANY other reason.

  39. palmcoaster says:

    Parents that can’t afford those just don’t buy the darn uniforms and have the schools pay for them and bill them to Fischer, Dickinson and Conklin. So what are they going to do, denied the kids education if they do not wear the uniforms? Ridiculous!

  40. Flagler Mom says:

    Everyone is totally over-reacting over this whole uniform policy thing!! If these kids had parents that would actually monitor what their children wore to school then there probably would not be an issue concerning uniforms. I think what they are proposing is very reasonable. As for those of you who think that it is going to be an added expense…. oh I’m sorry but you have to buy clothes for your children anyway and instead of buying the inappropriate clothes that you buy now, you might actually have to spend money on something decent!! and for those who truly cannot afford it there are ways that they can get help. Also for those of you who say you cannot find jeans without tatters and tears, I believe there are many reasonable priced places to buy them including Target, Wal-Mart, Kohls, JC Penney, and for those that are worried about name brands, American Eagle and Hollister have plenty of such jeans in their stores to offer.
    You people need to grow up and quit whining about such a silly thing as a uniform policy. Yes, there are more pressing issues that need to be dealt with as well, but this issue is a big one and as I said before, it would not be an issue at all if parents would take the initiative to monitor what their children wear to school. I now see why kids are being so defiant and accept no responsibility for their actions, it comes straight from their parents.

  41. Loop Holes says:

    What if girls who show there cleavage just button down their polos. What if those gang member will just simply buy matching socks or cut their hair a certain way. What if boys who sag their pant will simply wear a belt and not tighten it. The kids will rebel. Then what will we do? Make more rules? There will always be more loop holes. We just need to enforce the rules we had before.

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